thanks nightslyr, i appreciate your comments I am actually working on a drop down right now for the top menu that is so weird you said that. Also the left menu will go away and only the news will remain. I just got the logo a couple of days ago and I am trying to find a way to incorporate it into the existing header image I just don't want to get rid of that image it is so awesome as for the footer I havent' given much thought to it and yes the customer wanted a counter and I tried to incorporat it as a simple unique counter so you can visit every page a million times from every computer on your network and it won't change the counter it only counts wan ip's once.