Northern Flame Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 i used 2 be really active on this website but about a year ago i joined the army, lately i have been thinking about my future after the army and thought about going to college and studying some programming languages, but my only problem is that im not sure which language would help me out the most career wise. I am already proficient in HTML, CSS, Javascript, and PHP/AJAX. Im thinking about studying languages like C & C++ or maybe even asp.net or pearl. any ideas as to which would benefit me the most? Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
PugJr Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 It really plans on what you are going to do. You haven't given us any preferences or anything as PHP is a server side language where c++ is a client language. Different people have different needs and we don't know what type of person you are. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-862992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy-H Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I personally would go for C++, Python, Pearl or Java as they are more advanced than the languages I already know and from the C++ tutorials I have read, it teaches you alot more about how computers work - due to the use of pointers and the power which the language gives to the programmer, such as memory allocation, both in RAM and on the heap. This way you must learn good practice programming from start to finish (if they want their system left intact). As you have probably noticed I would personally choose C++, but as Pug said, it's really down to what YOU want to learn. Find what courses are available and do a little research into each language, its syntax and its capability and make an informed decision. =p Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-862994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Flame Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 yea i probably should have mentioned that haha. well i do enjoy doing server side coding that is why i mentioned asp.net i know i would probably have to go to school for that since i cant find any good tutorials for that online. i guess what i was wondering was what which would benefit me more, which language is there a greater need for out in the job market. I do know that a asp.net programmer would make a lot more than a php programmer would make, but are languages like C & C++ in greater demand? Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PugJr Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 As far as ASP.net VS PHP goes, the vast majority of websites use PHP where ASP.net has a very, very, small fraction. Nearly every site you go to will be in PHP. (Some that are not in PHP, MSN.com (ASP), Google.com (Not in ASP though) ) ASP.net also has the penalty of being a microsoft product and not being free BUT to say to that same level, gives ASP.net credibility as it is a microsoft product and some people will only take microsoft. But as far as C++ goes and things related, demand as in overall demand over the entire world? I would think so. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ober Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 You could start by learning what the languages are called. It's Perl. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 wow...never ceases to amaze me how when I read "opinion" threads like this, it's usually full of people regurgitating buzz words they heard from somewhere else, and based on the context, have no idea what they actually mean. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PugJr Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Talking about me, CV? Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Yes, as a matter of fact I am. You make out like you're so smart by using big fancy words like "preferences" and "fraction" and "credibility" and it makes me bite my thumb at you and fart in your general direction. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PugJr Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 CV, I do personally know people who will only take things made by microsoft (EDIT: Not made by microsoft, but software that was created from a microsoft program.). What exactly are you angry about then? We can come to a conclusion. Or are you talking about that most websites are running php is what you are angry about? Or are you just commenting on my English? I'll agree on that point that I'm not too good with it. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 you are such a buzzkill. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbin Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I think CV was joking lol. Three things in this thread amused me though. Pearl "ASP.net" And ASP != ASP.NET. Edit: Hrmmm... Maybe CV wasn't joking. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PugJr Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Heh, I'll be honest with you people, I always thought ASP.net and ASP were the same thing. Time to do a bit of research! EDIT: What does buzzkill mean anyways? Dictionary.com doesn't have anything. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbin Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I thought they were much more similar than they are until like a year ago. I avoid MS products hehe. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy-H Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 You could start by learning what the languages are called. It's Perl. My bad :$ lol Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 EDIT: What does buzzkill mean anyways? Dictionary.com doesn't have anything. try urbandictionary.com for all your slang definition needs. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PugJr Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Oops, I spoiled something? I thought my post would want you to argue and make me look bad? Isn't that what you wanted? EDIT: Oops, I see another error I made. Asp/asp.net doesn't cost anything and the offical microsoft website is giving out the downloads. Lets see what else I did wrong... Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roopurt18 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I always tell people to learn C when they ask these things. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chmpdog Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 nice smiley :$ Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I always tell people to learn C when they ask these things. Echo that. Also try a language from another paradigm for perspective. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ober Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 C is ok, but won't get you the OOP perspective. Java may be better for that but I'm not the biggest fan of Java. There are an increasing amount of jobs for Java developers, however. If you're going by what the market wants, I'd say learn C# before ASP.NET. You can attain the basic same goals with C# and probably weasel your way into an ASP.NET job if you know C#. And as mentioned by others, some companies stick with MS products because of the name and because the people running the servers don't know much about OS products. These are the same idiots that only know Windows Server administration and know jack shit about Linux server administration. Thank god I finally have my company's IT company coming around to the "dark side". At least it's better than having a half-baked solution as opposed to my last job (Windows Server, IIS, PHP, Perl, and MSSQL). Honestly though, once you have a few languages and the principles down, switching to another language is just basic syntax. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I don't think it's so much that it's because it says "Microsoft" on the label as that they already have microsoft stuff and for a lot of companies it is easier for them to stick in a disk and push an upgrade-to-the-next-version button than to migrate over to a completely different system. That involves significantly more time and money in actual migration and also in training people. And not just the IT people. Have to train all the employees how to work in the new environment, even on a user level. Learning a new menu system doesn't sound like a big deal to an IT person but to a regular Joe user it is a big deal, like learning a whole new language. People like us do things like code forms all day long and think nothing of the actual form content. Who cares whether the input field is described one way or the other, in this order or that, etc... what does it matter? Use some basic common sense / rudimentary reduction/reasoning and you'll figure it out in like 2 seconds. Well that's not how average Joe user is. It's not that they are stupid, it's just that they aren't trained to think that way, so you can't just dump a new system on them and walk away. Point is, it is not a matter of simply going out and getting the new software and installing it. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinM1 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I've always wondered about the cost of running ASP.NET driven sites. Microsoft has a free IDE/database server combo - Visual Web Developer 2008 Express - which has everything a developer needs to actually write the code. So, I'm assuming the costs lie on the server. Anyone know how much IIS servers cost to run, especially compared to Apache? Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ober Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/pricing.aspx Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinM1 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/pricing.aspx Ah, thanks. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/163569-advice-for-my-future-in-coding/#findComment-863323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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