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#1 johnnyk

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 02:59 AM

How will it turn out? Will Internet Explorer be a thing of the past in a couple years?
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#2 Kris

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 06:38 AM

As long as Microsoft bundle IE with Windows, it will never be a thing of the past I don't think. I wouldn't be as bothered if it was as standards complient as the Mozilla browsers, I'm fed up with designing for FireFox and then spending hours tweaking it so that it works in IE too...

#3 Daniel0

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 01:49 PM

I've heard people who think that Internet Explorer is the internet, so I don't think that IE will be a thing in the past for the next many years.

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 12:35 PM

Last year I moved every computer in the school to firefox. I then deleted every short cut and everything to Internet Explorer, until you could only find it by running a search.  I have recently suggested the same thing at my college and all new computers, and the ones we repair, will come standard install FireFox. 

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 01:39 PM

Schools (and other places too) could actually save a lot of money by using open-source systems, not having to buy a lot of Windows and Office licenses.

Edit: I know it's not exactly related to this topic, but I was more thinking about the "using alternatives to the "defaults""-thing.

#6 johnnyk

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 04:30 PM

How's IE7? I heard it's pretty good but I'm actually hoping it's terrible. It's gonna be at least a couple years before a majority of people are using it, so developers will still have to deal with IE6 for a while. If IE7 is bad, there will probably be more talk about Firefox.
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Posted 22 August 2006 - 04:43 PM

Last year I moved every computer in the school to firefox. I then deleted every short cut and everything to Internet Explorer, until you could only find it by running a search.  I have recently suggested the same thing at my college and all new computers, and the ones we repair, will come standard install FireFox. 

Ya know... I'm sure it'd be nice to have everyone NOT using IE, but you really can't force people like that.  I've tried to get my wife to use Opera or FF, but she's too used to IE and doesn't WANT to switch.  I've used IE7 and I'm hoping she'll see it as the big POS I saw it as and finally be pushed into switching, but I won't hold my breath.

In short, some people resist change and forcing them is only going to bring on problems.

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 12:42 PM

The entire school kinda liked FF. The tabbed browsing thing was a huge hit,and so was the popup blocker.  I hear wind that in Vista, IE will come pre-installed, but it won't be part of the system. You will be able to remove it! YAY!  If memory serves, couldn't you remove IE in older systems too? Or am I just dreaming of what life could have been like without IE?

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 02:07 PM

You cannot remove IE from the system pre-Vista.  It is an integral part of the OS.  As far as Vista, I haven't heard that, but I'd be surprised if it's true.

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 02:54 PM

I've heard people who think that Internet Explorer is the internet, so I don't think that IE will be a thing in the past for the next many years.


Personally I hate this. People who think the 'Internet' is IE or even the web itself.

Who here has used or still uses things like Gopher? IRC? Archie? Usenet etc?  I miss the days of the net where you had to know how to use a computer to do anything with it. 

Huh??

As for IE, it will always be around.  Since Windows is still one of the most used OS in the world, IE will always be around.  Now if MS were to play nice and follow the W3 consortium, maybe it could be more fun to design for ;)

ober as of SP2 in XP you can remove the IE install. 

I too hate having to code all my sites in FF and then seem the broken in IE because IE doesnt follow the rest of the pack. Though IE7 has been a little bit better, but you shouldn't rely on coding your site in a Beta of an application ;)

So I still have IE6 on my machine.  Also have Swift (like Safari), Firefox, Opera, I use my linux machine to look at Konquerer, and occationally I still use Linx :)

And why do people still use Frontpage for doing websites!!!! 

*whew* ok I am done :)

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 06:14 AM

Who here has used or still uses things like Gopher? IRC? Archie? Usenet etc?  I miss the days of the net where you had to know how to use a computer to do anything with it.

I still use IRC and Usenet on a regular basis...

#12 Daniel0

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 07:10 AM

You cannot remove IE from the system pre-Vista.  It is an integral part of the OS.  As far as Vista, I haven't heard that, but I'd be surprised if it's true.


I've read that too. It's also gonna run with lower privileges than the user.

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Posted 03 September 2006 - 12:33 PM

IE is a thing in the past for me.
Firefox is the way to go.
When my site opens, it's going to be FF compatiable, and FF only.
I am not taking the time to recode it for IE. People are just going to have to switch. (:

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Posted 03 September 2006 - 01:08 PM

thats one way to do it, develop all the web sites and applications to be browser standards compliant and forget to do all the ie hacks, a bit radical and it will turn people off your sites as the thought of having to actually do something on the computer, thats not just turning it on and off and clicking a few icons,  like install firefox, is as frightening as first driving a car. A pop up on the index page to say "this site is world wide browser standards compliant - it may not work in Internet Explorer due to lack of standards interest on the part of Microsoft" could be fun...
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#15 ataria

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Posted 03 September 2006 - 01:16 PM

Well, the site isn't going to be like a look and read site..
It's going to be like a RPG type thing.
So, It would work in IE, but some CSS might not work..
so, I mean, they can play it in IE, but, it would be advised to play it in FF.

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Posted 03 September 2006 - 01:52 PM

I really like the IE7 website.  They have me convinced.

http://www.ie7.com

#17 ataria

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Posted 03 September 2006 - 02:10 PM

Neither this site nor Mozilla is connected with Microsoft.

whaa. woah.




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