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Do you use Microsoft Frontpage??

  1. Yes (2 votes [8.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.70%

  2. No (21 votes [91.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 91.30%

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#41 Guest_neewah_*

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Posted 03 August 2005 - 09:56 AM

You don't need a special program to copy and paste.

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Hey, i started from scratch

Anyway, if MSFP makes odd code, it can clean itself up with certain tools on the tools menu.

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Posted 03 August 2005 - 11:09 AM

Hey, i started from scratch

Anyway, if MSFP makes odd code, it can clean itself up with certain tools on the tools menu.

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Well that right there says a lot about how efficient it is doesn't it. It makes messy code, and then allows you to tell it to clean itself up!


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Posted 03 August 2005 - 12:53 PM

And umm... it doesn't clean it up very well!

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Posted 03 August 2005 - 01:50 PM

I use Dreamweaver! I always handcode my work in dreamweaver, I hardly use the Desgin View feture to instert content. I use it as a guide to how my page will look like in a browser.

I have got Frontpage 2003 as it came with my MS Office package. Frontpage is okay but I don't like as it can put in code what you don't want. Plus it doesn't allow for editing of PHP files, no code highlighting or any features for PHP. Frontpage is mainly for coding ASP pages etc.

I'd say dreamweaver is the best editor out there.

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Posted 03 August 2005 - 03:51 PM

And I'd say you're wrong ;-)

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Posted 03 August 2005 - 05:45 PM

I was rather suckered into buying the 2002 upgrade if I recall. In fact it is not a lot of advance on 2000. Actually, as I have used PHP more, I use FP less and less, more like notepad in fact. I would use one of the other free PHP editors if only they would show my web server file structure in the folder window... Unless I have not persevered enough, none that I have tried seem to envisage on-line editing, which is what I do all the time.

EDIT: I have just discovered jEdit. It's 'folding' to hide code segments is just brilliant.

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Posted 18 September 2005 - 06:01 AM

I use multiple;
note pad,
text pad,
DOS mode,
Microsoft Frontpage,
and
the Beautiful Dreamweaver...

I know it's really annoying to use FP
specially with table alignment...

But i'm planning to migrate to Dreamweaver MX completely...
huh, huh, huh... : )

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Posted 18 September 2005 - 10:53 AM

I use multiple;
note pad,
text pad,
DOS mode,
Microsoft Frontpage,
and
the Beautiful Dreamweaver...

I know it's really annoying to use FP
specially with table alignment...

But i'm planning to migrate to Dreamweaver MX completely...
huh, huh, huh...  : )

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May I ask the logic behind using 5 different editors for coding your PHP scripts?


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Posted 18 September 2005 - 12:37 PM

May I ask the logic behind using 5 different editors for coding your PHP scripts?

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yeah...please elaborate...lol

I use Zend Studio and Dreamweaver MX 2004
keep everything in order

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Posted 18 September 2005 - 12:39 PM

ok, SA : )

Just like i said i liked both coding and layouting...

I use DOS mode to check files extensions if they really in proper names...

I use Notepad as a replacement for DOS Editor for my coding, but it is not
enough because when i learn to code on mysql specially the update
records thing ---> update INFILE the texts are scrambled so i use
Textedit instead as a replacement for notepad. using Textedit the records that to be updated are in the right track, dont ask me the details for this...,
i use textedit because it can determine texts files...

I use frontpage because it's easy to use... it's not that annoying really,
if you know the tricks huh, huh, huh : ), but the problem it's not WYSIWYG
and this is the first webpage editor that i learned before Dreamweaver, but currently i'm learning to use Dreamweaver it's nice, and easy to use than FrontPage...

And i think i'm gonna love Dreamweaver because there is no much
restrictions on coding and blah, blah, blah and i think it is much better
and complete than Frontpage. :)


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Posted 18 September 2005 - 12:51 PM

This is one example that i created in Frontpage:
take a look guys.. : )

Website sample made from Frontpage

not bad huh?

as you notice when you look at the html codes there is no frontpage signature...
well, i just used my tricks to out smart frontpage... it's really simple to trick frontpage, i think you know it too but you are maybe just lazy and busy to do the tricks...

i always remove the signatuer of frontpage to let some Internet browser to
display it properly just like Netscape Navigator.

i almost forgot to mention i use only the old version Frontpage 2000.

but of course right now i'm using Dreamweaver....

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Posted 18 September 2005 - 08:20 PM

as you notice when you look at the html codes there is no frontpage signature...

hmm... I guess I'm just out of the loop then.

How about the use of 20 identical <p> tags? What happened to the use of CSS? And in the cases where CSS is used, it's a class='MsoNormal'. What could Mso stand for? MS Office, possibly?

Since when do you use a class and a style attribute in the same element? When has the use of "line-height: 100%;" started? Isn't it a bit useless?

What is the tag <o:p>? And who's heard of the font "Aurora BdCn BT" or "Americana XBdCn BT"? What version of CSS has the attribute mso-spacerun or mso-bidi-font-style?

Sorry, james, There is no way you're going to get rid of the "FrontPage signature". And if you do, you've rewritten the site completely.
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Posted 18 September 2005 - 09:31 PM

that is not what i'm trying to explain...
let me start over again...
the signature here that i'm trying to say is that the one when you finish
creating a webpage from frontpage some internet browser like netscape
will scramble the alignment and the output display is annoying,
that's what i'm talking here not that all mso, it's not necessary to remove
the mso thing.

Try to make some web page from Frontpage then execute it in
netscape you'll see what i mean here, but i solved that problem
i've just tricked Frontpage, huh, huh, huh... : )

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Posted 19 September 2005 - 04:26 PM

that is not what i'm trying to explain...
let me start over again...
the signature here that i'm trying to say is that the one when you finish
creating a webpage from frontpage some internet browser like netscape
will scramble the alignment and the output display is annoying,
that's what i'm talking here not that all mso, it's not necessary to remove
the mso thing.

Try to make some web page from Frontpage then execute it in
netscape you'll see what i mean here, but i solved that problem
i've just tricked Frontpage, huh, huh, huh... : )

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You haven't really tricked Frontpage at all, neylitalo pointed out a lot of Frontpage 'signatures', and if you are going to all of this 'effort' to 'trick' Frontpage, why not just use something that doesn't add all this crap in the first place? I also don't find your reasoning behind using 5 different editors valid in any way - I use PHP Coder 2005, and only that - Its free and does everything in one package.

I use frontpage because it's easy to use... it's not that annoying really,
if you know the tricks huh, huh, huh : ), but the problem it's not WYSIWYG

I'm not sure which version of Frontpage 2000 you are using, but as far as I was aware, it is a WYSIWYG editor.

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Posted 19 September 2005 - 11:51 PM

ok, SA maybe you are all right.

so, can you tell me where should i download that (PHP Coder 2005)
so i can stop torturing myself.

my dream is ---> Dreamweaver, but maybe i should try your suggestion first.

so what is the right link for that?



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Posted 20 September 2005 - 12:25 AM

SA, are you sure you're not thinking about PHP Designer 2005?

James: PHP Designer 2005 is currently my IDE of choice, as well. Click here for a free download.

And unless you can really afford Dreamweaver, I don't suggest you buy it. It doesn't really have anything that makes it stand out from any of the others.
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Posted 20 September 2005 - 09:26 AM

SA, are you sure you're not thinking about PHP Designer 2005?

James: PHP Designer 2005 is currently my IDE of choice, as well. Click here for a free download.

And unless you can really afford Dreamweaver, I don't suggest you buy it. It doesn't really have anything that makes it stand out from any of the others.

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Sorry, yes, PHP Designer 2005. Its a bit slow when opening up scripts initially, but its free and does almost everything Dreamweaver does - I can live with that.

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 12:49 PM

No, never have done. Never will do. Ever. I would rather die. No offence, neewah but that is why your site looks like it does.

Dreamweaver does everything you need to.
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Posted 27 October 2005 - 03:23 PM

I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you. I used Dreamweaver for a day and then ditched it.

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Posted 27 October 2005 - 03:38 PM

I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you. I used Dreamweaver for a day and then ditched it.

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maybe that's simply because of the learning curve. gast is right: dreamweaver does more than enough for any basic site layout (an much better than M$ Frontpage, too). again, i don't recommend using it's generated code much, either, but for basic layout, at least it keeps the markup clean... no FP "signature tags" or anything like was mentioned above in the thread. if you ditched dreamweaver for a day, it was most likely due to your understanding of the software, NOT due to lack of what the software could do. just because a piece of software is easier to generate code with than another, does NOT make it better.

dreamweaver allows much more flexibility in your design as well. oh, yes, and there is a reason FP sells for only $169.99 when Dreamweaver 8 sells for $379.99 as with most computer related products: you get what you pay for.

and, the beautiful thing is, software like PHP Designer 2005 that patterns itself after dreamweaver or homesite style is free... i don't see any popular FP clones out there
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