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#1 Ninjakreborn

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Posted 04 September 2006 - 09:55 PM

After a lot of redoing, I am looking for some advice on my site
just want to see what people think. 
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I am still working on some of the more advanced programmnig lately, but I only work on this in my spare time, so more of just trying to get some quick opinions, advice that might make a lot of things change for the better.

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Posted 04 September 2006 - 10:35 PM

It seems kind of like you had good intentions but couldn't get valid code to work for you. I don't know if that makes any sense. for intance The middle Div should be that creamy coffee color the whole way down. having it sut of lake it look sort of wierd.

the section headers also look a bit cheap., I'm not sure that using an eistig template any modifying it was a good idea in this case ~ I'd want to show off my skill on a personal site.
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Posted 05 September 2006 - 06:30 PM

I don't think I will be actually redoing my own site for quite a number of years, and I have had considerable more comments about it, people contact me about projects off of it, but I was wanting advice on  a few things, the color scheme is it good, if not what colors, do you suggest, and where.  I want to go ahead and get things straightened up, I want to get better at graphic design even more before I try creating layouts, I am almost there, but with graphic design I still have a ways to go.

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Posted 05 September 2006 - 06:47 PM

I have many problems with your site.  Here are a few

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Posted 05 September 2006 - 07:23 PM

thanks, I will do something about those, I appreciate the advice, thanks.

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Posted 05 September 2006 - 10:15 PM

with all due respect, i'm very very reluctant to be even replying here, mainly due to the fact that half the issues were addressed in previous requests for critique, where you state "yes, i'll do that in my next rewrite".

just looking a jcombs's post, most of the stuff on there (for example, all the ethics stuff) has been addressed before several times, with extremely valid reasons as to why you should make the change.

let me put this to you bluntly. the work you do for other people is a million times better than the (lets be frank) rubbish you churn out for your own site. not saying i do a much better job, but hey - are you asking for critique on the same issues every time until someone gets tired of it, gives in and says they like it?

sorry for being so harsh, but please - at least show that you're listening+learning and prepared to actually put peoples suggestions into action. otherwise, you're pretty much wasting your time as well as everybody elses who bothers to critique.

take a lead from the work you do for others, and work out why it looks so much better than the work you do for yourself. stop trying to justify yourself with "it was this, it was that, it was a free project" and take it on the chin.
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Posted 06 September 2006 - 06:37 AM

with all due respect, i'm very very reluctant to be even replying here, mainly due to the fact that half the issues were addressed in previous requests for critique, where you state "yes, i'll do that in my next rewrite".

just looking a jcombs's post, most of the stuff on there (for example, all the ethics stuff) has been addressed before several times, with extremely valid reasons as to why you should make the change.

let me put this to you bluntly. the work you do for other people is a million times better than the (lets be frank) rubbish you churn out for your own site. not saying i do a much better job, but hey - are you asking for critique on the same issues every time until someone gets tired of it, gives in and says they like it?

sorry for being so harsh, but please - at least show that you're listening+learning and prepared to actually put peoples suggestions into action. otherwise, you're pretty much wasting your time as well as everybody elses who bothers to critique.

take a lead from the work you do for others, and work out why it looks so much better than the work you do for yourself. stop trying to justify yourself with "it was this, it was that, it was a free project" and take it on the chin.


I second that! Except for the million times better part, that is just not true.

Ok, on a more positive note: here's a tip for creating better designs (all is not lost - just yet)...

Use fireworks or photoshop to create a general design. Make it look as good as you can. You have to be a little artistic to be a webdesigner, it's not all code! Don't concern yourself with possible technical complications, yet, concentrate on the DESIGN. Mind colour combinations and layout. Occasionally zoom out or take a step back. You're not making a website, you're making a painting! Ok, I take that back, you're painting a website... :P

When you finish the design, chop everything into the smallest parts possible and use css to glue everything back together, repeating certain parts, and dumping everything that can be done with css. Wich is almost everything.

Ét voila: You have a DESIGN website.

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Posted 06 September 2006 - 12:39 PM

So should I stop using templates for the most part, or create just my own site from scratch, and use templates with the rest, it does save a lot of development time?

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Posted 06 September 2006 - 02:47 PM

businessman332211 
You have helped me a lot in the past, I have read many of your posts helping others and you’ve responded to my plea’s for help.
There is no doubt in my mind that your skills are of the highest order.

I’m not going to go into detail but I think you suffer from the same problem as me.

You are to logical, everything has to make sense,

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Example I am guessing that think its odd that:
Mr headbopper inventor went to the financier and said lend me money I have this head bopper idea and they said “of course we love the idea”
Then went to the manufacturer and they said “great idea we like it”
Then went to the retailer and said “sell these”  and they said “Yes we like it”
And Mr headbopper inventor became a multimillionaire and lived happily ever after.

They don’t generate electricity to power your ipod they dont light your way on dark nights, they serve no purpose, they’re illogical.

That is the reason your website looks like a programmer did it, in fact it looks like a program did it.

Logic doesn’t sell – fun happy exciting jolly dreams sell, which is/was an alien concept to me  … but I’m learning !

To improve your site you need to include things that serve no purpose, fun happy exciting things people might like, silly things, wham bam exciting things.

It will be hard for you I know.

Anyways you’ve been on my buddy list for quite some time, for a reason, I’m going to contact you with a proposal.   

Hope this helps

Roy

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Posted 06 September 2006 - 02:49 PM

I don't see how that last post is relevant or could possibly help at all. I actually can't even make sense out of it. The irony is that you call yourself logical.

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Posted 06 September 2006 - 03:08 PM

whilst i understand templates are available for a reason, my impression is that they're there for people who aren't as experienced who want to put up a site of their own - not for people who are coding sites for other people or are marketing themselves as a web designer/coder.
sure, so it takes less time to make a site using templates - but at least you can say you've done it yourself. I'd feel very cheated if i asked you to do me a project, payed you £15 an hour or whatever you charge, and found out you'd almost completely used templates and 3rd party scripts and then had to litter my site with credit for other people.

Current site:
1, the colours you have going on in your site are awful - especially the gray backdrop.
2, gradients are hard to use without looking rubbish.
3, you have far too much text. KISS
4, the varied use of whitespace makes things look odd. look at the spacing between the items on your left nav, compared with the spacing elsewhere.
5, random selection of spelling mistakes throughout.

Good points? your section about swapping web design for dental work made me chuckle.

It used to take me weeks to put up fairly simple sites, and not just because my knowledge was limited but also because of the way I kept myself organised. Now, I have set libraries of functions and reusable code,  set ways of structuring a site (custom templating engine, seperating presentation/business, etc) and I admit I'm not very strong on design at all and it's probably my weakest point, so I don't even waste all of my time trying. I just set myself a few guidelines (spacing, number of colours, font, basic layout) and stick to them, and it just kinda works. Take a look at them and you'll see what I mean. http://www.crashandb...k/portfolio.php
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Posted 06 September 2006 - 03:49 PM

I appreciate all the help, what he said up there was helpful, it was just in his own way, it was the way he brought it across that helped me grasp what I need to do.  I need to start working on learning design, I need to stop using templates, it's just so many sites (web designers who have done it for years(www.killersites.net or something for example))  They say there, that he knows how to build designs, but he uses templates because it saves time, I do all my own custom programming, maybe I should use my own designs too, but everytime I build a "design" from scratch it ends up sucking, no matter what, bottom line, it sucks.  I cna take a template and do whatever with it, but the site itself, ends up sucking.  I am willing to learn, so now, on the side, I am going to create a plan, start with a photoshop layout, until I get better at making photoshop layouts, then get the coding/css done on it, then the programming, and start learning how to build the actual designs from scratch.  Thanks for all the advice.

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Posted 06 September 2006 - 04:21 PM

stick to what you know. if you know coding (PHP, CSS, HTML, etc) but suck at drawing, etc, then you can create a perfectly good site without even using photoshop or such like, just using CSS. As for planning it out, there's nothing wrong with a good old pen and paper.
Look at the 'resources' section pinned at the top of the website critique forum, ESPECIALLY the cssplay.co.uk and the colour scheme one. Leave photoshop (IMO) to an expert, else you'll be in serious danger of being a jack of all trades & master of none.

deja vu....

cheers
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Posted 06 September 2006 - 08:32 PM

you could also think about finding someone who is good at design and partner with him/her.  That way you could focus on your stronger points rather than your weaker points.  Your work would stand to be a lot better, and you also stand to finish projects a lot faster. 
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Posted 25 September 2006 - 09:04 PM

Hrm. I mean this with the best intentions, so sorry if I come off a bit strong:

1) Did you use a .gif extension on the banner or is it meant to be blurry and unreadable?

2) Is there supposed to be a little rectangle of white next to the title things, i.e. Featured Services, Skills, Site Navigation, etc?  I would really get rid of that, as it takes away from the design.

3) Bolding words doesn't make google index them more than other words.  I would suggest unbolding those keywords.

4) The graphics you use on your navigation are a bit sketchy, and what is with the changing arrow thing on a:hover?

5) Divide up the side navs from the content area, it looks all meshed together.  The basics of the design is good, good colors to work with, you just put them together HORRORIBLY!

6) Umm, I would remove the CSS Valid unless you PLAN ON VALIDATING YOUR CSS.  And I would suggest validating.

7) There is some bad request on the link checker, and your not accessible either!

8) Your content on your ethics pages are MUSHED together.  Add some /n or <br /> tags there to move some of the text away from those subject bars.

9)  http://www.freelance...ndservices.php  Seriously?

10)  http://www.freelance.../portfolio.php  sites you have done supports statement in # 9

11) " I have gotten pricing advice from hundreds and thousands of developers over the years."  Hrm...hundreds AND thousands! REALLY?!?!

12) http://www.freelance...m/tempdeals.php ha ha...cough cough..sorry, had something in my throat...forgot what I was going to say here...  ???

13) Hmm...what do you know.  Lucky 13 :) 

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 12:12 AM

haha. hahAHAHahHAA! Build a website for a new grill? haHAHahaHAHahHAHA!

classic.
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#17 Ninjakreborn

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 05:40 PM

I did a lot of stuff to the site what do you think?

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 06:08 PM

if the idea catches on, maybe you'd be happy to volunteer your site to this: http://www.phpfreaks...c,110264.0.html ?

just a thought.
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Posted 02 October 2006 - 06:17 PM

It redirected back to my post, but I know what you are talking about, and I might, I want to redesign it myself once I learn those things, but it would be something fun I could do, if it took off.

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 06:19 PM

oops my bad  :-[ linked changed
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