Leaving

[TildeHash]

I'm not going to participate in this forum anymore. PHPFreaks' moderators don't allow people (me) to announce and ask for cooperation on PHP projects. And I don't know why, all of the people on this forum are learning PHP, and the moderators want to deny cooperation and collaboration with that knowledge? Doesn't make any sense.

 

Goodbye.

[premiso]

T.T

[Philip]

T.T

Q.Q

 

@OP: Did you follow the rules? Typically a post like that would go in the freelancing section

[trq]

I'm not going to participate in this forum anymore.

 

Were going to miss you obviously. You have made such a massive contribution around here and all). This is your first post besides your introduction and the one you are crying about being deleted.

 

Anyone going to most any forum and making there very first post a blatant add for a personal project is bound to be suspected of spamming. Sure, your project might be interesting, thats not the point. We have rules.

 

Now, had you been a long standing member or someone who had made some contribution to our community we may have cut you a little slack, maybe let your post slide, maybe even taken some notice downloading your project and then blogging about it on a front page.

 

But no, you expect to take from our community (buy gaining free advertising) without any giving (I'm sure you may think that giving us a link to your wonderful project is giving, but its not. I'm sure if it where that groundbreaking a project we would have heard about it anyways.). Im afraid it just doesn't work like that.

[Daniel0]

I'm not going to participate in this forum anymore. PHPFreaks' moderators don't allow people (me) to announce and ask for cooperation on PHP projects. And I don't know why, all of the people on this forum are learning PHP, and the moderators want to deny cooperation and collaboration with that knowledge? Doesn't make any sense.

 

I'm sure you don't appreciate all the viagra sales and penis enlargement announcement you receive by email. Having a penis, it's incomprehensible why you wouldn't want to cooperate with people by having them fill your inbox.

[xcoderx]

I'm not going to participate in this forum anymore. PHPFreaks' moderators don't allow people (me) to announce and ask for cooperation on PHP projects. And I don't know why, all of the people on this forum are learning PHP, and the moderators want to deny cooperation and collaboration with that knowledge? Doesn't make any sense.

 

Goodbye.

 

goodbye mate, was a pleasure to have u with us for a short period.

 

btw i too went thru the same thing many times but i realize for i did not follow rules or went against rules only then some staff were rude to me but dnt matter thy not that bad anyways so im still here.

 

u r the one who needs to learn not them so if u leave ur loss 

[Philip]

btw i too went thru the same thing many times but i realize for i did not follow rules or went against rules only then some staff were rude to me but dnt matter thy not that bad anyways so im still here.

 

You know you are my hero, right?

[Mchl]

'Anymore' suggests there was a participation on your part before. There wasn't.

 

[Daniel0]

I'm not going to participate in this forum anymore. PHPFreaks' moderators don't allow people (me) to announce and ask for cooperation on PHP projects. And I don't know why, all of the people on this forum are learning PHP, and the moderators want to deny cooperation and collaboration with that knowledge? Doesn't make any sense.

 

Goodbye.

 

In light of your immense contributions to this site, I've made you a guru.

[PugJr]

Actually, he might have done something and since I don't want to speak out of ignorance, ignore this post. 

[KevinM1]

I'm not going to participate in this forum anymore. PHPFreaks' moderators don't allow people (me) to announce and ask for cooperation on PHP projects. And I don't know why, all of the people on this forum are learning PHP, and the moderators want to deny cooperation and collaboration with that knowledge? Doesn't make any sense.

 

Goodbye.

 

In light of your immense contributions to this site, I've made you a guru.

 

I dunno.  He's clearly more of a Recommended to me.

[.josh]

PHPFreaks' moderators don't allow people (me) to announce and ask for cooperation on PHP projects.

 

Yes we do, in the Freelance forum.

 

And I don't know why, all of the people on this forum are learning PHP, and the moderators want to deny cooperation and collaboration with that knowledge? Doesn't make any sense.

 

You are right, it doesn't make sense to deny cooperation and collaboration of knowledge, especially when we are a resource and learning site.  Which is why we most certainly do allow it.  The reason you don't know why your post was deleted, was because near as I can tell, you have not even bothered to ask.  Instead, you opted to assume negative things about us.  For whatever reason, you opted to believe we would do a nonsensical thing.  If anything doesn't make sense here, it's you're assumption of that.

 

The apparently not-so-common sense thing to assume is like virtually every other community on the internet, we have rules, and that you, being a new member to the community, broke one or more of them.

 

In the PHP Help forum, you made a post soliciting people for help on your project,  pointing them at your website for signup.  If you had bothered to read the rules you would know that that is not the type of thread that forum is for, and which forum that sort of thread belongs in. 

 

There are threads and posts and webpages all over the place and reasonably visible that explain the rules of posting on phpfreaks.com.  Your failure to find them, read them or understand them is not a valid reason to not follow them or be immune to them. 

 

I don't know what you had hoped to accomplish by announcing your leaving to everybody because we suck (...in 2 different threads? Really?).  You have virtually no history here, so who do you think would have take you seriously in your hasty judgment? I mean seriously, the only thing anybody around here knows about you put in your manifesto resume shameless plug introductory post.  Which you spent much time talking about how you suck and don't get along with people.

 

 

 

 

[trq]

In all fairness Crayon. I deleted the op's post, he then contacted me asking why and I let him know that we don't have any area available for announcing projects (maybe this is something that staff need to talk about / re-consider).

 

I'm not sure these types of posts DO fit in the freelance board.

 

Oh and PS: I have removed the op from the Guru group. I'm not sure he will be back, but I'm not willing to have him within that group if he does.

[TildeHash]

Yes we do, in the Freelance forum.

Nope. Administrator "thorpe" told me: "The PHP Coding Help board is not the place to announce projects. We in fact don't have a form for such announcements." If this is a wrongful statement, then that is a different issue. It's common for people that already have a project to need help.

 

My post explained that it was a comment system, it had a link to it, another to its source code, and I asked if anyone was interested in helping me solve some of the problems I was having develop it. I wasn't even given enough time to explain what I was having trouble with. I intended to do that if there was any interest, and if people on the forum seemed at all knowledgeable enough to help.

 

Which you spent much time talking about how you suck and don't get along with people.

That statement doesn't make any sense, as I never said anything about my social behavior.

[TildeHash]

T.T

Q.Q

 

@OP: Did you follow the rules? Typically a post like that would go in the freelancing section

Nope. Administrator "thorpe" told me: "The PHP Coding Help board is not the place to announce projects. We in fact don't have a form for such announcements." If this is a wrongful statement, then that is a different issue.

[TildeHash]

I'm sure you don't appreciate all the Viagra sales and penis enlargement announcements you receive by email. Having a penis, it's incomprehensible why you wouldn't want to cooperate with people by having them fill your inbox.

This doesn't make any sense, as I needed help. If a doctor advertised himself as being a helpful doctor that you could come to if you needed help (just get yet another online account), then I would expect him to talk with me about Viagra instead of saying "Ewww!" then punching me in the face and running away with my chart.

[TildeHash]

I'm not sure these types of posts DO fit in the freelance board.

Simply by definition (a self-employed person, esp. a writer or artist, who is not employed continuously but hired to do specific assignments) it does not. And I don't know how the forum could possibly go this long without a place to collaborate on projects, as many other forums do.

 

Oh and PS: I have removed the op from the Guru group. I'm not sure he will be back, but I'm not willing to have him within that group if he does.

Thank you for removing me from a group I did not rightfully earn (I might consider myself quite PHP educated, but I have not been perceived as such by the members of this forum), but I do not appreciate people messing with my account as a joke while I am away, especially one that has to do with my intellectual stature (it's your forum you can do what you want, but makes me uninterested).

[Daniel0]

I'm sure you don't appreciate all the Viagra sales and penis enlargement announcements you receive by email. Having a penis, it's incomprehensible why you wouldn't want to cooperate with people by having them fill your inbox.

This doesn't make any sense, as I needed help. If a doctor advertised himself as being a helpful doctor that you could come to if you needed help (just get yet another online account), then I would expect him to talk with me about Viagra instead of saying "Ewww!" then punching me in the face and running away with my chart.

 

The people filling my inbox with Viagra ads need help finding people to fill their bank accounts. You need help finding people to participate in the development of a product, which you are creating for political reasons. The gain may be different, but that doesn't change the fact that it is still unsolicited advertisements.

 

Oh and PS: I have removed the op from the Guru group. I'm not sure he will be back, but I'm not willing to have him within that group if he does.

Thank you for removing me from a group I did not rightfully earn (I might consider myself quite PHP educated, but I have not been perceived as such by the members of this forum), but I do not appreciate people messing with my account as a joke while I am away, especially one that has to do with my intellectual stature (it's your forum you can do what you want, but makes me uninterested).

 

That is exactly the point I was making. You come to this community with an overinflated sense of entitlement leading you to believe it's perfectly fine advertising your projects here. Had you been a longstanding contributor to this community, you have have been given some slack, but why should we do that to someone who has contributed nothing?

 

The fact that we don't have a "project announcement" board doesn't mean you can just post it elsewhere against the rules. To my knowledge, you didn't ask any member of staff if you could post this advertisement, nor did you request the creation of any such board.

[TildeHash]

I'm sure you don't appreciate all the Viagra sales and penis enlargement announcements you receive by email. Having a penis, it's incomprehensible why you wouldn't want to cooperate with people by having them fill your inbox.

This doesn't make any sense, as I needed help. If a doctor advertised himself as being a helpful doctor that you could come to if you needed help (just get yet another online account), then I would expect him to talk with me about Viagra instead of saying "Ewww!" then punching me in the face and running away with my chart.

 

The people filling my inbox with Viagra ads need help finding people to fill their bank accounts. You need help finding people to participate in the development of a product, which you are creating for political reasons. The gain may be different, but that doesn't change the fact that it is still unsolicited advertisements.

 

Oh and PS: I have removed the op from the Guru group. I'm not sure he will be back, but I'm not willing to have him within that group if he does.

Thank you for removing me from a group I did not rightfully earn (I might consider myself quite PHP educated, but I have not been perceived as such by the members of this forum), but I do not appreciate people messing with my account as a joke while I am away, especially one that has to do with my intellectual stature (it's your forum you can do what you want, but makes me uninterested).

 

That is exactly the point I was making. You come to this community with an overinflated sense of entitlement leading you to believe it's perfectly fine advertising your projects here. Had you been a longstanding contributor to this community, you have [may] have been given some slack, but why should we do that to someone who has contributed nothing?

 

The fact that we don't have a "project announcement" board doesn't mean you can just post it elsewhere against the rules. To my knowledge, you didn't ask any member of staff if you could post this advertisement, nor did you request the creation of any such board.

Please don't call my Free Software project a product, it is a contribution to society (one you are unwilling to except), a work, not a product. Need I give you the definition for product? PHP is licensed under the PHP License for political reasons. My post was asking for help, so it belongs in the board for asking for help (unless you have retarded definitions for your boards).

 

And I don't think my post implied my "entitlement" to people's labor (no one is entitled to that). I thought with people here learning PHP, some of them would have websites, thus some of them would like to have comments on there websites, thus would help me with my problems I am having develop it.

 

As I said before, my post explained that it was a comment system, it had a link to it, another to its source code, and I asked if anyone was interested in helping me solve some of the problems I was having develop it. I wasn't even given enough time to explain what I was having trouble with. I intended to do that if there was any interest, and if people on the forum seemed at all knowledgeable enough to help.

[salathe]

I do not appreciate people messing with my account as a joke while I am away, especially one that has to do with my intellectual stature

 

Being a guru has nothing to do with intellectual stature, just look at Cags me!

[trq]

My post was asking for help, so it belongs in the board for asking for help (unless you have retarded definitions for your boards).

 

C'mon. 'PHP Coding Help' is for help with specific issues. You post your problematic code, and people help you with it.If you have so much code you need help with that you need to provide a link, you need to break your problem into smaller parts and ask for help with those parts.

 

You where blatantly asking people to join your project.

 

I have nothing against advocating open software. I have used and developed it almost exclusively for the last 6 years or so. Still, there are times and places, a 'PHP Coding Help' board is not one of them.

 

As has been said all along, if you where to contribute to our community you might get some slack cut. But starting your very first post with "I am currently developing a Free Software comment system (AGPL) in PHP, and I would love to have help if anyone is willing or interested."..... is blatant spam. Open software or whatever, I don't see a difference.

[Zane]

Why do people feel the need to express their reasons to "leave this place?"  If you really want to leave, then just do it.  Change your hosts file to redirect this place to localhost or something.  Not that I'm suggesting you actually "leave"... I just feel that if a community bothers you that bad, then say to hell with it.

 

Just to further elaborate my point.  Upon posting my reply, you are still online and you have made numerous replies to this (your) thread beforehand.  It seems more to me like you're seeking attention; without solicitation this time.

 

Just my 2 cents.

[Daniel0]

Need I give you the definition for product?

 

No need. I can do that myself: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/product

 

It fits the definition fine. Besides, it is entirely irrelevant whether you're advertising a product or a project.

 

PHP is licensed under the PHP License for political reasons.

 

Of course it is, and I never said there was anything wrong with your project being politically motivated. I was saying that whether you're in this for monetary gain or for spreading your political ideologies doesn't make a difference whether or not you're making unsolicited advertisements (specifically recruiting ads).

 

I wasn't even given enough time to explain what I was having trouble with. I intended to do that if there was any interest, and if people on the forum seemed at all knowledgeable enough to help.

 

How weren't you given enough time? I don't care whether you take one minute or one year to write your post before you click the submit button. However, I will judge your posts based on what I can see right now, and not based what you might say in the future.

 

The entire concept of doing that is ludicrous. Am I supposed to ban you because you have the possibility of posting child pornography here, or were my previous (temporary and joking) promotion of you correct because you may one day become an extremely valuable member of this community? There are an infinite number of things you could do in the future, how am I supposed to know which path you're going to take?

[TildeHash]

My post was asking for help, so it belongs in the board for asking for help (unless you have retarded definitions for your boards).

 

C'mon. 'PHP Coding Help' is for help with specific issues. You post your problematic code, and people help you with it.If you have so much code you need help with that you need to provide a link, you need to break your problem into smaller parts and ask for help with those parts.

 

You where blatantly asking people to join your project.

 

I have nothing against advocating open software. I have used and developed it almost exclusively for the last 6 years or so. Still, there are times and places, a 'PHP Coding Help' board is not one of them.

 

As has been said all along, if you where to contribute to our community you might get some slack cut. But starting your very first post with "I am currently developing a Free Software comment system (AGPL) in PHP, and I would love to have help if anyone is willing or interested."..... is blatant spam. Open software or whatever, I don't see a difference.

I was expecting it to go like this:

Me: I'll explain, in detail, what it is I'm doing.

People: This is pretty cool. What's broken?

Me: This part <code here>

People: I can fix that! / WTF?!

 

And it was going this way for the first -- what -- 10 minutes? One person replied -- I can't even remember what they said, you could have closed it instead of deleting it -- they visited the site, left a comment testing it out. Someone was interested in helping me get it to work, and I'm sure others might as well. And you want to deny them that freedom? It's exercise, it experience, it's fun, it's useful. It's what PHP is, at this point I am more of criticizing your forum for not actually fully embracing what PHP is all about. People on Ident.ca have help me more than this forum.

 

No one else but you administrators / moderators have this view point of my work.

[TildeHash]

Why do people feel the need to express their reasons to "leave this place?"  If you really want to leave, then just do it.  Change your hosts file to redirect this place to localhost or something.  Not that I'm suggesting you actually "leave"... I just feel that if a community bothers you that bad, then say to hell with it.

I never wanted to leave (it is not my desire), I am more of being forced to. The idea of posting this was to get a better impression of the community, perhaps its members would be worth putting up with the administrators / moderators. Most of what I've seen so far has only been the administrators / moderators, and they are very hostile (typical).

 

Just to further elaborate my point.  Upon posting my reply, you are still online and you have made numerous replies to this (your) thread beforehand.  It seems more to me like you're seeking attention; without solicitation this time.

It will likely never say I'm offline until I actually logout, which will probably never happen because my browser never expires cookies, and I have a script running to check for replies and such, until I decide if it's worth staying or not. And it wasn't solicitation the first time.