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#41 koolaidman52

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Posted 30 September 2006 - 10:31 PM

Upon first look I'm not a big fan. I think you are just trying too hard and missing the mark.

My thoughts:
As a webdesigner we all want to look like you are on the cutting edge, looking like you are trying to impress medievil kings is definitly no the cutting edge.

I think you schould try and be less dependent on graphics for now. I've made several designs for friends and school stuff (that usually don't get published but are more for practice) where I just go for the basic layout, then I do as much programming as possible before adding images where absolutely neccessary.

I think the key is going in having already made up your mind on the layout, changes can be made, but you're probably better off having at least something in mind.
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Posted 30 September 2006 - 10:45 PM

Well, I fixed a bunch of things in photoshop, with the images, and did a bunch with the buttons, I am uploading it now, to see what you think once I get the buttons all working.  I think I found what I want, I am touching up the images more, but I think, thanks to the advice of everyone here, I have found something I can be happy with for a few months/years, until my skills are good enough with graphic design/layout design to easily come up with something better.
After I align everything up, perfectly, and get the rollovers working, and everything looking good, and decreasing the size of the banner, layout out the rest of the page, I am going to lay it out on here for critique, if someone has any more advice on it so far, let me know, or way's I can make it better.

Thank you for everyone that helped me get pointed in this direction.

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Posted 30 September 2006 - 10:58 PM

Does anyone have advice on getting the images in there, and actually make them meld in with the background.
Any advice on that would help, I made it a specific way, but I am having trouble getting them aligned.

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Posted 30 September 2006 - 11:13 PM

after reading this thread all the way through, my advice is give up.  you do not have the artistic flair, style and sensibility it takes to design anything worthwhile.  if you yourself did not see anything wrong with any of your previous efforts, ESPECIALLY after EVERYONE gave you a TON of advice, i can safely say you are not designer material.  that's okay, a lot of programmers aren't.

that being said, a lot of programmers admit that they aren't and stick to programming.  they do not try, time and time again, to get a logo or banner for their site critiqued EVERYTIME.  this shows a total lack of judgement and confidence on your part, and is a fairly good indicator that you are trying to do something you're not exactly talented at.

i'm laying this right out because as mark said, we have been down this road a billion times before.  you are not cut out to be a designer.  you keep saying "well i hope to get to the point where maybe i could, at least try, to get a semi-decent logo or banner done for a client or something," but where does that leave the client?  they get utter crap that you'll "work on improving" and you've wasted both parties' time.  furthermore, if you yourself can't design your own site to client standards, what right do you have attempting it for clients?

i'm not going to re-hash the advice on logos.  this thread has been nearly a course's worth of information from everyone, and you haven't taken any of it into account.  even though you say you have and think you have, your total lack of progress indicates you haven't.  it's one thing to learn a lot about photoshop, what filters do what (generally filters shouldn't even be used until you've made competent designs without them), and the technical settings of a graphic.  it's another thing entirely to know what to do with them to yield an artistic design.

in summary, i'm just going to say one thing that i'm sure everyone is thinking: you don't have what it takes to design professionally, case closed.  leave it to the people that do, and focus on what you do well.

i'd apologise for my bluntness, but i think it's totally warranted.

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Posted 30 September 2006 - 11:54 PM

  No, I am starting to think my problem is I am trying to please people too much.   I will admit I wasn't the best designer, graphic designer, whatever you want to call it.  But I have learnt my way around photoshop, I have seen graphic designers, who program.  I have seen programmers who graphic design.  I was totally happy with my site, 100%, and I started doubting myself because hte people here, see to not like me specifically.  I looked over all the critique boards, never does anyone get as bad as a critique as mine.  When I sit down and design something that is good everyone thinks it sucks, when I see one's that are 2-3 times worse in the critique forums.  This is useless.

  THe first time I built my site, i Had ton's of clients say they liked my site, that I know for a fact, I have had plenty of people, I am making some false issue, trying to please people who are unpleasable. 

  I try my hardest, but screw it, I am going back to my old design, my old layout, my old logo.  It got attention, my website got responses, and it worked.  I started doubting it when some random person said it looked like shit on www.purepwnage.com, and I saw all the negative critiques on it.

  I don't understnad what you people have against me, and at this point I don't care anymore.  Every site I ever built was loved, by the person it was built for.  All of them had great comments about it, I may have had aways to go, but no-one complained.

www.thecampussource.com - the guy's mom said it was going to make me famous, the design was there idea, 1 person outside phpfreaks said it could use a redesign, everyone else loved it.

www.elostandfound.info - the idea behind the site itself may not sell, but it was her idea, she loved the site when I was done, and so was everyone that was on it, except for the grammer, saying I need text training or something, no big deal, I start studying english more, and getting better with sentence structure, it's something I can do in my spare time.

www.funnyemailforwards - dude loved the site, I didn't design it, I just programmed/coded behind someone else he already had do the design

www.moondancedesign.com - she loved the site, more than ever, and she got nothing but comments about it

www.freelancebusinessman.com - I liked my site, every client I ever had, liked my website.
I loved my own website more than ever, after I made that re-design, my clientel literally tripled, and started booming with 1k plus projects.

I don't know what I did good about it, or what I did bad, but almost every person I ask outside of php freaks like it, except one friend of mine, and he is extra, extra, extra picky.

  You guys have helped me with a lot of things.  I rose to the top of php and databasing thanks to the people here, I can program php/mysql with the best of them.  I can even jump to a new database sytem, give me one hour, and I can run it like I run mysql, thanks to the people who helped me learn.

To tell you the truth, awhile back I tried programming, just for a few hours, asp, jsp, and coldfusion, and I started learning some of the syntax, I can already do basic stuff with any of those languages, because hte people here conditioned me to be a programmer, I learnt from the best.

In some ways you people made me where I am today, in other ways the people here hold me back.
As I said I see websites in the critique far worse than any I have ever built, and people that critique mine go around say, it looks good, you could do this, this, maybe this, but other than that I like it.  Then when mine hits the forum, or any I have built, it's always something horrible.  I don't get it.

I am confident in my abilities, I know I can do a logo, I know I can make a site design, layout, I know I can code one, but what made me have a hard time these past few days, was I was trying to impress the people here, and I think I have to stop doing that from now on, and only listen to constructive criticism.  I know you people have given me very good advice about logo's but what aggravates me, is no matter how good I do, or what direction I go, I am doing something wrong, or something that is totally off track.  It wouldn't matter, no logo, no theme I came up with would be good enough to impress the people here, and unfortunately, that's the only reason I was redesigning my site.

If you asked me if I was happy with it, yes very.  I needed to change a few style related elements, maybe even redo the color scheme.  Maybe fix up the logo some, but even then you people will think my site sucks.  The ONLY reason Iw orked almost my whole weekend, was because I wanted to come up with something to truly impress the peolpe here, and only some people

Andy, akitchen, obsidian, the number guy, ober(specifically).  I look up to some of you more than you can imagine, all I have tried to do was impress a few select people here today, but nothing I do comes close.  If you aske dme today, am I happy with my current website, yes I am, so are my clients, and most people in general I ask, except people on php freaks, and a few people who jsut think it sucks for some reason.  If you asked me if I like my current logo, yes, and everyone said they loved my logo.  When I tried to chagne it, almost every client I had told me that THey liked the old one. It was a little blurry, and I didn't notice so I fixed it.

Andy- you have made me learn faster than I acn imagine, in all things, most of your criticism, is helpful, and nowhere near destructive, but some of the stuff you say, makes me feel I could never make something you considered looked good

number guy- the critique on moondancedesign.com was great, I am still going to go through and do as much of what you suggested as you acnned, because you helpe dme make it better, you showed me it was good, it just needed some work, you didn't totally destroy it.

wildteen, the god of css, if it hadn't of been for you totally coding layouts for me sometimes, I wouldn't know half of what I know now.

obsidian - lately, I have been looking up to almsot everything you said, and trying my hardest to impress you in my work, but I always fall short, you offer very good advice, but again nothing I do makes you actually sit down and say good job.  You offer helpful criticism, but sometimes I feel that I can't make you happy with my work, that's how I feel with a lot of you

ober - I look up to you almost most of all, from when I first started coming here, I have always wanted to come up with something that impressed you, but I have yet to succeeded.

Fenway- the god of databasing, you have helped me through databasing for a long time, and your one of the few people who have built me up emotionally.  You are the one that made me feel I could do anythign with databasing.  Because you didn't put me down when I was learning, at all, you even saw me sometimes trying to help someone, you didn't ocme in saying I was wrong, you stepped in and would say businessman is right, or good job(type of thing), or come in and say I forgot something, you always built me up in a positive way.

barand- you have never put anythign I have done down, offered lot's of php advice, and helped me get better, you ever said a few times, that I was making good progress

jcombs - I htink you sometimes have a very, very rude personallity, especially in that post with that person where you and them were arguing, but you are the god of design.  I have looked up to your design advice a lot, you don't help me advice wise that often, because you just come in, say some rude stuff and leave, but looking at the sites you have built, has given me a lot of drive and determination.

other people I forgot- some helped me, some hurt more than helped

I don't really know, I know I decided to keep my old site, I decided I can't keep trying to impress the people here, it is something I have wanted to do since I started but never was able to accomplish unfortunately, it will be a few years until I am able too.  IF that's the way it has to be then fine.
I am doing a few things, I am rewriting all text on my website, gogin through that old critique, and changing what is easily changed, and trying some ideas that were offered.  I am going to rewrite all teh tetx on the whole thing, deleting and changing a few pages, just doing some stuff to try and make it better, I might even get brave enough to try antoher color scheme, but I can't keep trying to impress people, I have  a lot of projects to do, I wish I could have, I wish I could have impressed everyone I mentioned here, maybe a few I forgot, but I won't be able too, that's what is so damn frustrating.

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Posted 01 October 2006 - 12:12 AM

I think those logos are really nice good job.
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Posted 01 October 2006 - 12:26 AM

it's refreshing to see you make an actual decision on here instead of constantly asking us for our opinion, even if it is the decision to stop trying to impress us.  congratulations.

frankly the reason we are less impressed than the general public is because we spend the better part of our time on the internet.  we've seen some incredible sites, and we've seen some total crap.  you probably fit somewhere in between there, but we're not going to be ashamed to tell you precisely where.  note that a couple of the sites you claim the client absolutely loved, you yourself didn't actually design.  that reinforces my point of sticking to what you're good at.

i'll add that most of the other critiques none of us weigh in on because it'd be too much effort.  i think you should be happy that we're so patient with your efforts; it's easier to not bother typing than to actually set down some critiques.  your critiques have some of the highest page counts of any, so don't tell us we're not trying here.

however, do NOT demean our criticism by saying that our posts are negative simply because we don't like you.  we mostly do our best to be absolutely unbiased on these boards.  in any case where we are marginally biased, it is not unwarranted.

and I think I have to stop doing that from now on, and only listen to constructive criticism.  I know you people have given me very good advice about logo's but what aggravates me, is no matter how good I do, or what direction I go, I am doing something wrong, or something that is totally off track.  It wouldn't matter, no logo, no theme I came up with would be good enough to impress the people here, and unfortunately, that's the only reason I was redesigning my site.


correct me if i'm wrong, but i've only seen two or three legitimately different "directions" you've gone with your logo in this thread.  and frankly, not one of them actually heeded what people were saying.  it aggravates us just as much as you when we make suggestions, and you come back with the exact same logo with one or two new filters applied.

if your clients are happy, then so be it.  keep doing what you're doing.  if work really is "booming with 1k plus projects," it shouldn't be so difficult to just hire a designer.  if you can hop off your high-horse about being the best with phrases like "I can program php/mysql with the best of them." (a claim i imagine even most of the mods/admin on here wouldn't make), you'd find it easier to admit when you're not in your niche.

i am trying to be kind, and still want to offer help with your questions on these boards, but i feel it's time to defend the mods and their opinions.

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Posted 01 October 2006 - 12:28 AM

sigh

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Posted 01 October 2006 - 01:43 AM

ober ..., I have always wanted to come up with something that impressed you, but I have yet to succeeded.


Oh, don't worry one bit about that - every single site ober's looked at, he's found something to fix. :D

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Posted 01 October 2006 - 01:53 AM

I think I have been making a mistake this whole time, I noticed something, I looked at the old post I had on my website www.freelancebusinessman.com
I saw a lot of the reasons people said they didn't like that, I don't need a new design, everything, everyone mentioned I can fix, I have been doing that for awhile now, I am rewriting all the text for it, I have already deleted a hell of a lot of pages, rewrote huge sections, recoded some of it, removed lots of useless code, recoding some more of the css, and removing all validation, I am going to start following my ethics even heavier, I have been going through now, and checking hte source, making sure my code is clean, and well commented.  I am rewriting almost everything on the site, I saw jcombs had actually put a post about my site, he put a screenshot of things he didn't like about my site, I am going through and fixing all of those, i am fixing my logo so it's not blurry.  Once everything on those lists are done, I will repost for critique.  Then I am going back to moondancedesign.com and doing everything that I saw on that list, to make it better.  I have the answers I just am not using them, I am getting all the problems fixed with all my current websites on my portfolio.

As for my own, I am doing everything everyone suggested, then getting some new ideas, I am totally redoing my entire business structure, I have rewritten a lot on my site already, I am still rewriting somet tonight, tomorrow, and this week, until I get everything on that list off.

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Posted 01 October 2006 - 07:34 AM

If you study design, learn it, and focus on it for ages you'll eventually be able to do some decent stuff. I think it's more than fair to say that your not naturally talented with design, so it will take you longer to learn it and you'll never probably never reach a stage where you design "outstanding" works.

As your much better as a programmer, we're suggesting you focus on that and get someone else to do your designing. Based on the time you'll save doing it this way, you'll be able to complete projects faster, even pay your designer, and overall make more money.

Many business owners can do their accounting, but they get an accountant to do it. Because the accountant may cost $50/hour and it takes 4 hours. Yet, you may be able to do it yourself in 3 hours, but because you could make more than $200 in those 3 hours doing what you're best at, you don't do the accounting.

Also, as for those 5 sites you posted on the previous page, none of them attain a "professional" look, other than the moon dance one.

In short: Just focus on what your best at to produce maximum output. :)

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 08:45 PM

Alright. Some examples of logos are Google, or, Yahoo!
They are simple and not much too them...
If you look at neopets... 'www.neopets.com'
they just have 'Neopets *star*'
simple yet good.
Google, they just have 'Google' in differnet colors, it looks good.
and, yahoo is in red.

Try doing something like 'FB' ... nothing big.


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Posted 03 October 2006 - 08:51 PM

http://www.btcartoons.com/rt/1.png
I loved this one, he did it for me, what do you think ?? of this logo, I had someone on the forums do it for me, and I liked this one a lot.

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 09:24 PM

the best so far by a mile and then some, still not a logo but getting there. but ataria just made a great point which was overlooked. try something simple???
"you have to keep pissing in the wind to learn how to keep your shoes dry..."

I say old chap, that is rather amusing!

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 09:33 PM

in fact, i'm feeling generous today, so i'll post this link yet again...sigh...

http://www.peterjones.tv/index.cfm

look at the logo. look at the colours. look at the style. forget the flash, because i hate flash and its nothing to do with what i'm trying to reinforce here.

professional, entrepreneurial, business, call it what you want. this site has the "feel" that you want.
"you have to keep pissing in the wind to learn how to keep your shoes dry..."

I say old chap, that is rather amusing!

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 09:35 PM

This is probably what I should ask instead of avoiding it.  How should I gauge it.  I know someone did that logo for me, and I have him doing other work for me, after I get organized, but I am still leanring enough to do layouts, logo'sand stuff like that, he did that logo, and I liked it.

As far as simple difficult.  What should I use as a guideline to determine simple.

Like with text, so you mean stuff like maybe FB, or making the F, and b a wierd font then having reelance, and usinessman after those.
WOuld simple have anything to do with filters.
Or things like associating simple,basic pictures, with your name, or something similar.

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#57 Ninjakreborn

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 09:36 PM

You mean use something like that logo.
I am getting the idea of simple, just looking for a sliding scale.
I know some people go extravagant, and it works, some people go ismple it works, I am trying to get an idea, of how to keep everythin gin the middle.

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 09:41 PM

not even just the logo. the whole "feel" of the site.

on another note, for the last 2 days youve got another chap doing logos whilst your site remains the same. 2 days = 20 hours = lots of cash. why not put some of these posts into practice whilst you let the other chap worry about your logos?
"you have to keep pissing in the wind to learn how to keep your shoes dry..."

I say old chap, that is rather amusing!

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 09:47 PM

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 09:49 PM

not even just the logo. the whole "feel" of the site.

on another note, for the last 2 days youve got another chap doing logos whilst your site remains the same. 2 days = 20 hours = lots of cash. why not put some of these posts into practice whilst you let the other chap worry about your logos?

No comment

http://btcartoons.com/rt/6.png
http://btcartoons.com/rt/7.png
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I will email you in a minute, I like all of those too.

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