Opera converts unite!
Posted 18 October 2006 - 02:37 PM
Posted 18 October 2006 - 03:12 PM
And maybe we should split this topic to a new "Opera" thread? We're getting a bit off-base from the original topic.
Posted 18 October 2006 - 03:21 PM
It seems like it renders things too small or perhaps the margins and paddings don't work correct.
It seems to work fine for me, under Gentoo Linux - Daniel0, what problems specifically are you having?
Excellent! Another convert. And yeah, I can't speak for Opera on Linux.
Posted 19 October 2006 - 01:33 PM
It doesn't have to, it was already great and Microsoft only release a new version of IE every 5 years or so. What is mostly wrong with Internet Explorer is that Trident (it's layout engine) do not support the web standards properly like the other browsers. Besides, did you read the last paragraph:
Firefox 2 offers no radical changes compared with version 1.5
Of the two rivals, Firefox remains the better application. Since IE users will have to adjust to a new layout and interface anyway, this might be a good time to give Firefox a try, then watch IE 8 play catch-up again in five years.
Posted 19 October 2006 - 01:40 PM
Posted 19 October 2006 - 01:46 PM
FF, according to this article, is not even outpacing IE anymore. Disgusting.
sorry, but it's been some time since i took yahoo news seriously. check out the most recent version of Information Week to get another opinion on the battle. here's their headline quote:
Internet Explorer 7.0 takes on Firefox 2.0 in a face-off that's reminiscent of the browser battle of the '90s. This time, it's Microsoft's fight to lose.
as much as i hate to admit it, IE7 is growing on me. however, as this article points out, IE is just now tackling many of the features that FF and Opera have offered for years and have been perfecting.
my browser preferences come down to this:
Opera - excellent browser. for personal use, probably my browser of choice. however, i feel that all the additional "built-in" features overload the browser beyond what i care for.
FF - excellent browser. definitely my browser of choice for development. although features are added on as extensions, i can customize my firefox to be exactly what i want my browser to be and no more. if i find needs for other features, i'll add them at that time.
ober, the only thing you've said that i don't agree with is your comment about no other browser comes close to being standards compliant. while firefox has its quirks, overall, it is quite close to full compliance in rendering CSS and DOM elements.
suffice to say that i am an opera fan for my personal use... would that i only had more time for personal browsing
Posted 19 October 2006 - 01:50 PM
and Microsoft only release a new version of IE every 5 years or so. What is mostly wrong with Internet Explorer is that Trident (it's layout engine) do not support the web standards properly like the other browsers.
that appears to be changing... read this month's issue of Redmond, and you'll get some inside feel for how M$ is cranking on the next two revisions of IE already... with promises of CSS compliance (we'll see how that turns out).
don't get me wrong: it will take quite some time before i'm ready to make the change back to IE, but it looks like they're finally starting to feel the heat from the free browsers out there.
Posted 19 October 2006 - 02:01 PM
it will take quite some time before i'm ready to make the change back to IE
I don't think I'm going to be using IE full-time any time soon... To get good support for Windows programs, you need Windows. Which I am not going to be switching to anytime soon.
but it looks like they're finally starting to feel the heat from the free browsers out there.
And that's exactly what they're here for. Remember, the ultimate goal is to have a program that works, and works well. If Microsoft won't provide it, then the international community will. If you don't have to pay for it, so much the better, but if MS gives us programs that are efficient, usable, and actually worth using, I won't complain.
Maybe we're looking to a new height of competence on Microsoft's part, who knows?
Posted 19 October 2006 - 02:22 PM
If more browsers rendered things in accordance with the standard, maybe people would actually fix their sites.
I also don't trust the Yahoo news... most of it is sketchy and I mainly posted it on here to get a reaction. I do still think FF is superior and I completely dislike the new IE interface. I also won't be holding my breath for MS to comply to CSS standards.
Posted 19 October 2006 - 02:45 PM
obsidian... you're playing with my words. I didn't say "no other browser comes close to standards compliance". I said Opera is standards compliant, and no other browser comes close to it's level.
ok, i'll eat that one. i wasn't trying to play with words, i honestly thought that's what you were saying
thanks for the clarification
Posted 20 October 2006 - 06:11 AM
No, you'd die. No one can hold their breath for years...
I also won't be holding my breath for MS to comply to CSS standards.
Posted 20 October 2006 - 09:36 AM
I don't quite agree. I find it more difficult to use.
The Internet Explorer 7 frame is reorganized to make it noticeably simpler, more streamlined, and less cluttered with unnecessary items. This maximizes the area of the screen devoted to the webpages that you want to see and makes performing the most common browsing tasks easy.
Well, that is good. Then we don't have to check if the XmlHttpRequest object exists, but then there is of course still those who don't upgrade and stick with IE6 >_<
Yeah we'll see...
Addresses many of the major inconsistencies that can cause web developers problems when producing visually rich, interactive webpages. Improved support for CSS 2.1, including selectors and fixed positioning, allow web developers to create more powerful effects without the use of script. [...] Internet Explorer 7 is more compatible with top web features than ever before. Internet Explorer 7 will support many of the new standards on the web to make browsing the web a richer experience and easier to develop for.
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