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how many instances of keepass do you run: on each of your device one !?

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hello dear all

 

pretty new to keepass - i have a notebook at home and a desktop in the office. how many instances of keepass should i install - on each device one ...!?

do they sinchronice somehow -!? Now - i guess not

 

from what i have seen in the documents i gathered the following

cf https://keepass.info/extensions/v2/docs/KeePass2-GS.pdf

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Enter the password or pass phrase a second

(i.e. “pass phrase” instead of “password”).

Enter a unique password or a short phrase

master password.

You will be prompted to create your

Create Composite Master Key

 

enter a file name.

Select this or an alternate, known location and

Libraries Documents

Run KeePass

2. Create the Initial Password Database

simply checks for the existence of a new version – it will not download or install unless you specifically request.

On first launch of KeePass it will prompt you to enable (default) or disable automatic checks for updates. Note this

1. Installation: Download the software (KeePass-2.xx-Setup.exe) from http://keepass.info/download.html and install.

the software and entering your first accounts.

This guide includes the initial installation of KeePass 2.x on a Windows PC, creating your first password database, testing

 

 

KeePass – Getting Started on Windows

 

cf: chttps://keepass.info/extensions/v2/docs/KeePass2-GS.pdf

so the question is: how many instances of keepass should i install - on each device one ...!?

do they sinchronice somehow -!? Now - i guess not

love to hear from you

regards 

 

 

 

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This is a pretty important topic to me. And i am a Keepass-Beginner -so i am trying to go the first steps. 


well i think that i can use Keepass on multiple devices (PCs, Notebook and - even on phones): to do so i think that i could  sync them through Nextcloud, which i probably can host on a server at home. But doing a sync via cloud is not the securest way - /(see below the discussion of various methods)

some scenarios:
a friend of mine told me that he has only one install but can launch as many instances of keepass as needed. probably have at least 10 separate databases for verious devices and functions
He also makes usage of Keepass2Android on Pixel. Everything syncs as quickly as OneDrive updates, which is close enough to real-time.

Setup:
Well regarding the Setup here: if i do a install on my home PC, and a install on my notebook. (duuuhh i also can do an install of KeePass Portable on a USB key I use at work so that I don't have to install it on my work computer, )

About the sync: 
- i can do this about once a month - in other words how do  you think about syncing  all the databases once in a month!?
- Well that said: i have many options here: i  can synchronise the database via most services across all kinds of devices. But which one is the best method here?!

note: i want to stay safe
- for example we can sync our database via Dropbox and access it from a Linux machine, a Windows machine and (even the phone) 
- but as the database is only single file, we can decide to use local copies as well. And this method does not need to include a Dropbox in the cloud.
if i just copy the database file on the device - eg. my PC, where i want to access it and then i am finished with this step. 
This way my  database won’t ever reach the internet. i guess that this method is pretty secure. 

backup:
What seems very very important to me is the backup: 
- i think it is pretty important to never forget to make backups, though!

look forward to hear from you 


have a great day

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The keepass file is encrypted so it's ok for it to be in the cloud.  The problem for me is that I use Macs and the mac port of keepass was terrible.  I moved over to using 1password, which has great support for all the platforms I use, although it is a commercial product.

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hello dear gizmola 

 

first of all - many many thanks for the reply. Great to hear from you.  one question though

 

 

after  the installation-process of keepass:  what are the next steps.

btw: do you generate a .CSV is one format you can save a spreadsheet in.

 

should we generate a list consisting of

 

username - passwd  - pair (eg for this site here) and afterward give the data to keepass!"?

 

in other words:  So, once we have generated our list - in their approved style ! - then we could save as 'type Text .CSV'. CSV stands for 'Comma Separated Values' and essentially strips all the spreadsheet formatting out to produce a text file. This file can be then be re-opened should you wish as a spreadsheet ! And this file can be uploaded to keepass - cant it!?

 

in other words: after the installation of keepass - you set a masterpasswd. 

and after this process - do you use the password-generator for the single passwords that you are using for the various sites / etc. etx. !? cf. https://keepass.info/help/base/pwgenerator.html
This password generation method is the recommended way to generate random passwords. Other methods (pattern-based generation, ...) should only be used if passwords must follow special rules or fulfill certain conditions.

Generation based on a character set is very simple. You simply let KeePass know which characters can be used (e.g. upper-case letters, digits, ...) and KeePass will randomly pick characters out of the set.

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Defining a character set:
The character set can be defined directly in the password generator window. For convenience, KeePass offers adding commonly used ranges of characters to the set. This is done by ticking the appropriate check box. Additionally to these predefined character ranges, you can specify characters manually: all characters that you enter in the 'Also include the following characters' text box will be directly added to the character set.

The characters that you enter in the 'Also include the following characters' text box are included in the character set from which the password generator randomly chooses characters from. This means that these additional characters are allowed to appear in the generated passwords, but they are not forced to. If you want to force that some characters appear in the generated passwords, you have to use the pattern-based generation.

Character sets are sets:
In mathematical terms, character sets are sets, not vectors. This means that characters cannot be added twice to the set. Either a character is in the set or it is not.

For example, if you enter 'AAAAB' into the additional characters box, this is exactly the same set as 'AB'. 'A' will not be 4 times as likely as 'B'! If you need to follow rules like 'character A is more likely than B', you must use pattern-based generation + permuting password characters.

KeePass will 'optimize' your character set by removing all duplicate characters. If you'd enter the character set 'AAAAB' into the additional characters box, close and reopen the password generator, it'll show the shorter character set 'AB'. Similarly, if you tick the Digits check box and enter '3' into the additional box, the '3' will be ignored because it is already included in the Digits character range.

Supported characters:
All Unicode characters in the ranges [U+0001, U+D7FF] and [U+E000, U+FFFF] except { U+0009 / '\t', U+000A / '\n', U+000D / '\r' } are supported. Characters in the range [U+010000, U+10FFFF] (which need to be encoded in UTF-16 using surrogate pairs from [0xD800, 0xDFFF]) are not supported. Subsequent processing of passwords may have further limitations (for example, the character U+FFFF is forbidden in XML/KDBX files and will be replaced or removed).

 

 

 

look forward to hear from you 

 

regards 

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On 5/12/2020 at 4:40 AM, dil_bert said:

after  the installation-process of keepass:  what are the next steps.

btw: do you generate a .CSV is one format you can save a spreadsheet in.

No keepass has its own internal format.  It's a "personal secrets" application.  The secrets themselves are encrypted using strong encryption and a passphrase you use to unlock it.  Your only concern is where you store the keepass data file.

A lot of people store it in a cloud service, so that you can access if from various clients.  I used to use dropbox.

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hello dear gizmola, 

 

many many thanks for your quick reply - great to hear from you.- 

 

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The secrets themselves are encrypted using strong encryption and a passphrase you use to unlock it.  Your only concern is where you store the keepass data file.

A lot of people store it in a cloud service, so that you can access if from various clients.  I used to use dropbox.

 

 

i guess that the passphrase is pretty important. I will take all your ideas and considerations into account. Many thanks for the idea sharing - and for letting me know your ideas and which experience you have made with Keepass. 

this f orum is a great place. And i am so happy to be here! 

Dear gizmola - have great day;)

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