i've actually found out exactly wat the problem is... well atleast i think i have. this is the code i'm using. i'm trying to make the black background transparent. [code] <? $image = imagecreatetruecolor(192, 36); $trans_color = imagecolorallocate($image, 0, 0, 0); $color = imagecolorallocate($image, 255, 255, 255); imagefill($image, 0, 0, $trans_color); imagettftext($image, 10, 0, 10, 23, $color, "impact.ttf", " MENU ITEM"); imagecolortransparent($image, $trans_color); imagegif($image, "output.gif"); ?> [/code] aight when i chose the transparent color in its truecolor form (so black [0,0,0]) its pointing to the truecolor index for black which is 0. however when i save it as a gif the palette changes and index 0 in the gif then becomes a different color (its like 20,14,20) or something. hence the transparent property is being passed onto index 0 in the gif and instead of the new black (0,0,0) index being transparent, this other color is. i'll show u an image to demonstrate that there is infact transparency, its just on the wrong color: [img src=\"http://www.rustydesigns.biz/wtf.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"IPB Image\" /] you might have to save the image and zoom in on it but theres 1 red pixel there which appeared when i placed the image on top of a red canvas. so yer the transparency is infact working its just pointing to the wrong index in the gif... well thats my theory anyway. does anyone know how to fix this?