I have learned how to write a php to save a file. and to be able to save that file in a directory infront of the one where the php is located, but I want to be able to save it in a dir that is behind it. I.E. root/image is where I want the file to be stored root/upload is where the php is located I know that if I was writeing this with html then I would just use a ".../image/" but how to do this in php is completly flooring me. Cany anyone help me please? Thanks. Actualy I just figured it out.... you only use ONE "./image" and not the ... for php.... ahhh learning new things, its a wonderful life. Thanks anyway.