waynew Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I've been testing it out and messing around etcetera etcetera. I understand some of its pros. Could anyone else tell me why using Zend is advantageous? Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Other than the fact that several of the core developers of php runs the company? I think that in and of itself makes a pretty strong case.... Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 What do you mean with "using Zend"? That doesn't make sense. Zend is a company. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 You mean Zend Framework, Zend Studio, Zend Optimizer, Zend Guard? Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Maybe he typoed and was asking if it was worth practicing Zen? Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynew Posted November 8, 2008 Author Share Posted November 8, 2008 What do you mean with "using Zend"? That doesn't make sense. Zend is a company. Yes... I meant using Zend as a company... in my code.... o_O I think you knew what I meant. If I'm telling you that I only started using Zend, what do you think I'm talking about? Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 What do you mean with "using Zend"? That doesn't make sense. Zend is a company. Yes... I meant using Zend as a company... in my code.... o_O I think you knew what I meant. If I'm telling you that I only started using Zend, what do you think I'm talking about? If I said I was using Microsoft, what do you think I'd be talking about? Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynew Posted November 8, 2008 Author Share Posted November 8, 2008 Firstly, using my magnificent powers of deduction, I would conclude that you weren't using Microsoft in your code. Secondly, my powers of deduction would move onwards, concluding that you obviously meant a framework. Maybe .NET? But then again, you are providing me with a completely false analogy. When somebody on a PHP forum board says that they are starting off with Zend, what do you think they're talking about? You were able to understand what I was talking about... so you've already kind of proved my point. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Firstly, using my magnificent powers of deduction, I would conclude that you weren't using Microsoft in your code. I could be talking about programming in VB. Secondly, my powers of deduction would move onwards, concluding that you obviously meant a framework. Maybe .NET? I could have obviously meant sitting in front of my TV playing my xbox. Oh wait, that's not so obvious a deduction...and neither is yours. But then again, you are providing me with a completely false analogy. When somebody on a PHP forum board says that they are starting off with Zend, what do you think they're talking about? Just because you fail to see the similarity doesn't mean it's false. The point you are failing to see is that Zend is a company that offers several products and they are all programmer related, from certification courses to frameworks to optimizers to obfuscators. My microsoft analogy is even more ambiguous because they do offer products and services that are not programmer related. But if anything, that's a success, not a failure, as far as analogies go. You should have been able to see the ambiguity in that statement because it's bigger, and apply it on the smaller level of Zend. The goal here was for you to understand the concept of ambiguity. You were able to understand what I was talking about... so you've already kind of proved my point. No, we were not able to understand what you were talking about. Because you were being ambiguous. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynew Posted November 8, 2008 Author Share Posted November 8, 2008 I could be talking about programming in VB. You could. But if I were to say that on a C# forum, you'd know what I was talking about, right? As I said before: you're tossing up false analogies here. I said what I said on a PHP forum board. I could have obviously meant sitting in front of my TV playing my xbox. Oh wait, that's not so obvious a deduction...and neither is yours. If it wasn't that obvious a deduction to make, then why did you make it in the first place? Please see your first reply to this topic. You obviously knew what I was talking about and now you're just trying to argue otherwise out of stubbornness. Just because you fail to see the similarity doesn't mean it's false. The point you are failing to see is that Zend is a company that offers several products and they are all programmer related, from certification courses to frameworks to optimizers to obfuscators. My microsoft analogy is even more ambiguous because they do offer products and services that are not programmer related. But if anything, that's a success, not a failure, as far as analogies go. You should have been able to see the ambiguity in that statement because it's bigger, and apply it on the smaller level of Zend. The goal here was for you to understand the concept of ambiguity. Microsoft operate on a much larger level than Zend do. If I had said that I was using Microsoft on this very forum, then there would be a greater cause for confusion, but since I said that I was using Zend, the obvious conclusion should come to mind, especially seeing as this is a PHP forum. Also... who uses certification courses inside their actual code? Saying that your analogy is more successful because it completely exaggerated what I said regarding Zend, taking it out of context and blowing it up to seem much more irrational, is ridiculous. I admit that I should have been more detailed; but I do not believe that my post warranted a "OMG THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE." If anything, such replies serve to highlight the snobbish elitism that some people carry on this forum. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Well... I given you a list of Zend products, that you might have been talking about. Even if Zend Framework would be the most probable, you still should use it's name if it is the one. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynew Posted November 8, 2008 Author Share Posted November 8, 2008 Well... I given you a list of Zend products, that you might have been talking about. Even if Zend Framework would be the most probable, you still should use it's name if it is the one. I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing the reply. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 What do you mean with "using Zend"? That doesn't make sense. Zend is a company. Yes... I meant using Zend as a company... in my code.... o_O I think you knew what I meant. If I'm telling you that I only started using Zend, what do you think I'm talking about? Either of Zend's products would make sense when you say that. Zend Studio, Zend Optimizer, Zend Guard, Zend Framework, Zend Core, Zend Platform. I've used all those things except for Zend Guard. They also offer certification, training, consulting, and support with your code. All of those are related to PHP so how the hell am I supposed to know which of those things you are talking to? It's not my fault you are not capable of communicating properly. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 stfu you snobby elitist. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynew Posted November 8, 2008 Author Share Posted November 8, 2008 What do you mean with "using Zend"? That doesn't make sense. Zend is a company. Yes... I meant using Zend as a company... in my code.... o_O I think you knew what I meant. If I'm telling you that I only started using Zend, what do you think I'm talking about? Either of Zend's products would make sense when you say that. Zend Studio, Zend Optimizer, Zend Guard, Zend Framework, Zend Core, Zend Platform. I've used all those things except for Zend Guard. They also offer certification, training, consulting, and support with your code. All of those are related to PHP so how the hell am I supposed to know which of those things you are talking to? It's not my fault you are not capable of communicating properly. Well if you didn't know what the hell I was on about; why reply in the fucking first place? Why make it your mission to make a snobbish so-far-up-your-own-rectum-that-it's-popping-out-of-your-mouth comment about me supposedly using Zend, the company, inside my code? If you can't say something that is remotely constructive, shut the fuck up and move on, instead of being an elitist dickhead. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynew Posted November 8, 2008 Author Share Posted November 8, 2008 Oh, and real mature: You have received a warning for insulting other users and/or staff members in regards to the message: Re: Need a name for a mysql based news script. Please cease these activities and abide by the forum rules otherwise we will take further action. I didn't insult anyone in that thread. At all. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Way to go. All this over a minor joke. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynew Posted November 8, 2008 Author Share Posted November 8, 2008 Way to go. All this over a minor joke. Oh how easy it is to call something a minor joke when the joke wasn't on you. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Man. It is, I don't deny it. But I'm object of such jokes each day, and you know what? I don't go around calling names, but try to get some fun of it as well. And from time to time make fun of someone else's mistakes as well. Try it, it's better for health. (This last sentence was also a joke) Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynew Posted November 8, 2008 Author Share Posted November 8, 2008 Look, I can handle a joke. One thing I wont handle however, is somebody belittling me. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 If it's of such importance to you... guess I can't do much about it. Just try not to loose your temper as that. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Well if you didn't know what the hell I was on about; why reply in the fucking first place? Why make it your mission to make a snobbish so-far-up-your-own-rectum-that-it's-popping-out-of-your-mouth comment about me supposedly using Zend, the company, inside my code? If you can't say something that is remotely constructive, shut the fuck up and move on, instead of being an elitist dickhead. Okay seriously, this is getting out of hand. You asked an ambiguous question. People responded by asking for clarification, not by making out like elitist dickheads. At no point in time was anybody like "omg you are retarded you can't ask a question right you noob" or however you think elitist dickheadism goes. Then you started getting all pissy because we aren't mind readers, and even more pissy when people started calling you out on being pissy about it. This thread is closed. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131861-zend/#findComment-685591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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