Greatone Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Hi so i've been learning php for 3 mouth now by reading php 6 Bible and watching lynda and so on... i was looking for a job in few past weeks and i found out i don't have that kind of self confidence to go for it ! you know when they say : PHP Project Manager , it scar's me... the thing is , i know all about basic to medium php , array...MySQL....all those essentials but i don't know what do they want from a php web developer . so i began to search for intern job somewhere and i told myself i should bust my ass 24/7 for few mouth and after that i ll be real php guy and it seems like there is no place to reach not php but almost all programming languages a year ago i was searching for the same thing but in networking section and there was 100's of intern ship jobs but in programming there is none ! so i want some one to give me (us) simple to pro real life projects . what do they want php junior or senior developer's for ? what do they do? what is the most common needs ? what is the most essential things to know? what is a hired php developer should do in the office? some people doesn't need you in the office and want you to work from home , they give you project's , what's that? is there any source in the web to offer what is need ? i know its too much , but this was my last option , so if anyone can help i would practically owe him/her my whole future salaries... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickOldCar Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Am not even sure if you can obtain a real professional job as you described by just reading and doing tutorials a few months. I believe will need some sort of college if want to get anywhere. Freelancing and self proclaimed php programmer is one thing, getting a good job that field is another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinM1 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 No one in web development gets hired without: 1. A portfolio of projects that showcases your abilities 2. Being able to pass interview tests #1 can come from a variety of sources. If you're a student, you may have had some projects that you think really represent you. If you're a freelancer, you may have had some particular challenges you overcame. No employer will hire you unless you can show them what you do. #2 is an assessment of the practical knowledge you've gained as you created your portfolio. Internships are becoming more rare because a lot of places don't want to waste resources training someone up to a passable level of skill only to potentially see them jump ship after they've learned what they came for. So, your best bet is to do some freelancing on the side until you feel confident enough to apply for a job with an existing development company. Small businesses exist everywhere. Many of them want a web presence. That's a service you can provide now. It will give you real life experience, not just in solving programming problems, but dealing with clients, communicating and collaborating with them, etc. Which will, in turn, give you something to add to your portfolio. But, yeah, I'd expect an intro-level developer to be comfortable writing procedural PHP. To be able to handle arrays, string manipulation, dates/times, basic database CRUD routines, etc. To understand the HTTP request/response cycle, and properly handle forms. To structure their code correctly so it's not a mishmash of HTML, PHP, and JavaScript. To understand how to debug and troubleshoot their own code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatone Posted June 21, 2014 Author Share Posted June 21, 2014 No one in web development gets hired without: 1. A portfolio of projects that showcases your abilities 2. Being able to pass interview tests #1 can come from a variety of sources. If you're a student, you may have had some projects that you think really represent you. If you're a freelancer, you may have had some particular challenges you overcame. No employer will hire you unless you can show them what you do. #2 is an assessment of the practical knowledge you've gained as you created your portfolio. Internships are becoming more rare because a lot of places don't want to waste resources training someone up to a passable level of skill only to potentially see them jump ship after they've learned what they came for. So, your best bet is to do some freelancing on the side until you feel confident enough to apply for a job with an existing development company. Small businesses exist everywhere. Many of them want a web presence. That's a service you can provide now. It will give you real life experience, not just in solving programming problems, but dealing with clients, communicating and collaborating with them, etc. Which will, in turn, give you something to add to your portfolio. But, yeah, I'd expect an intro-level developer to be comfortable writing procedural PHP. To be able to handle arrays, string manipulation, dates/times, basic database CRUD routines, etc. To understand the HTTP request/response cycle, and properly handle forms. To structure their code correctly so it's not a mishmash of HTML, PHP, and JavaScript. To understand how to debug and troubleshoot their own code. thanks so from what you said i think i got to study more , no other way... Am not even sure if you can obtain a real professional job as you described by just reading and doing tutorials a few months. I believe will need some sort of college if want to get anywhere. Freelancing and self proclaimed php programmer is one thing, getting a good job that field is another. collages sucks , i'm going to collage now majored in networking and internet , they kinda teach everything ! from networking to c++ and html and.... they never focus on one particular thing , they teach basics of everything to you , becoming a pro is student's job . and who's gonna pay me to do their basic css html jobs? (no one ) , form what i know people use the words like : Mastered PHP ....Mastered Bootstrap....Complete knowledge of Java script ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinM1 Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Which is resume-speak for being skilled in those areas. I mean, how would one describe having mastered PHP? Do they have intimate knowledge of its internals? Have they written extensions for the language itself? Likely not. Similarly with 'complete knowledge' of JavaScript. It's bullshit buzzwords designed to look impressive, but has little actual meaning. And it's usually proven to be a lie during the interview phase anyway. Don't get hung up on it. And college doesn't suck. You just need to find a good one and pick the right major. Of course a major called 'Networking and Internet' isn't going to teach you much in the way of web programming. It's an IT major focusing on networking. I don't know where you live, but in the US there are plenty of schools that teach web development, and teach it well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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