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I don't understand one thing.  lately I take a page, I give it a background color (body).  I then create a div, and center it.  The full centering in all browsers is done with

 

body {

text-align:center;

}

 

#wrap {

margin-left:auto;

margin-right:auto;

}

ok, all of that is done.  Awhile back I use to be able to get the upper part of the div, flush with the top of the browser.  lately firefox hasn't been listening to me (I guess since I upgraded versions), is there a surefire way to get a center div, that is centered, to go flush with the top, a way that works effectively, and correctly in all browsers (I tried removing all padding, and margin from there.  I want to do this "without" continuously having to use a border up there to get it to snap into place, any advice?

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