chimp1950 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 before i can learn php? I know some very basics like bold headings but cant i get by with dreamweaver?? Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
corillo181 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 html css and probably basic javascript. or you will have a lot of questions along the way. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Take some basic html tutorials (http://w3schools.com). Do not rely on Dreamweaver....you'll pick up very bad habits. Plus it sucks. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SycoSyco Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 you don't _need_ html but you struggle without good HTML knoledge. Without meaning to sound eliteist, no serious user of PHP uses dreamweaver if they can help it. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
acp26b Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Without meaning to sound eliteist, no serious user of PHP uses dreamweaver if they can help it. I ask because i don't know, what do serious users of PHP use? Text editor? Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xkyogre Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Yes, most probably but if you have a WYSIWYG web editor like frontpage or dreamweaver then no it does it for you Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanlonj Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 I ask because i don't know, what do serious users of PHP use? Text editor? I handcode a lot of php and html but I use Dreamweaver in the "code view" as it highlights php blocks of code and makes it easy to see if the syntax is incorrect e.g. if i forget to put inverted commas around a string, the n the string will not be shown in red font as opposed to black/blue for php code. To be honest, with php, you will at some stage need to return a webpage to the user from a php script and Dreamweaver cannot do this very well, so you will probably need to handcode the html within php code. Hope that doesn't sound too complicated but YES, you should learn html in detail. Hope this helps. Stoney Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 I stick with the old fashion Notepad or Notepad2 Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooldude832 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 dreamweaver should be completely avoided even as a text editor try a pretty print editor like notepad++, or some other one. Dreamweaver does not have the character encoding power's that a lot of high end projects require. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 UltraEdit Look into it. It's completely kick ass. It's a simple text editor that highlights code and allows for hiding of functions so you can work on classes easier. It also FTP's. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooldude832 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 yeah ftp in editor is something notepad++ does not have, and is very nice Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluce Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 I use dreamweaver as an html editor and php editor and I don't any problems with it. I have downloaded a php editor and it looks like it could be useful but since I designed the website with dreamweaver, I just do everything with DW. I have no major issues with it except I wish it had more intellisense with php code/syntax. I guess I am not a serioius php programmer. I guess they do have something better than dreamweaver for php editing but its not all that bad. for designing simple web pages and for an html editor I would recommend DW. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooldude832 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 I see no benefit to dreamweaver only pain when dealing with code. Half of its preview outputts aren't vross browser compliant, secondly the text editor part can be done in a nice smaller package like ultrapad Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redarrow Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 I have used all the text editors that are on the market and there all except one worth having. The best text editor in the world is what i use (zend studio) there no better in the world... But as a learner in php/html/css/mysql/flat files you need to use notepad or notepad++ as that will help you understand all the code correctly. At first your get all sort of errors then your learn how to correct your errors then you can move to a text editor then you presheate what a reel text editor does for you. forget dreamweaver, dreamweaver adds all sort of code to the script when used with php and infact also adds terrable code to html all sorts of c r a p. just use good old notepad and be a winner good luck. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooldude832 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 a note for notepad++ is you have to be careful cause it likes to add whitespace to the prolouge and can give you a funky looking ;`"?> or some other sorts in your docs if you use includes/headers Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chigley Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 I have used all the text editors that are on the market and there all except one worth having. The best text editor in the world is what i use (zend studio) there no better in the world... But as a learner in php/html/css/mysql/flat files you need to use notepad or notepad++ as that will help you understand all the code correctly. At first your get all sort of errors then your learn how to correct your errors then you can move to a text editor then you presheate what a reel text editor does for you. forget dreamweaver, dreamweaver adds all sort of code to the script when used with php and infact also adds terrable code to html all sorts of c r a p. just use good old notepad and be a winner good luck. What's so special about Zend Studio? I have to say I've just read up on it and I'm considering getting it.. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluce Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 I do agree DW does add a bunch of BS in the code. thats why I hard code most of my code. I just use DW for the designing aspects of my web site. I dont write code for the layout and designing part of my web pages only the dynamic sections of it. ..I never used it but Zenstudio does look like a winner Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooldude832 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 but dreamweaver (at least last i saw) doesn't follow w3 which makes it worthless to me Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redarrow Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 There nothink better then using zend as zend is part of the creation off php. If you a serious programmer and enjoy programming and learning everyday code, and drink loads of tea get zend lol. also hopefuly use zend as a backup for tutorals and code snippets it all fun. Do you all want another a reel reel program that your all love lol. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redarrow Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Ever thort how does one do regular exsperssion so fast there you go there the ansaw. http://www.regexbuddy.com/ Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-280511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanlonj Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Guys, Firstly, get off yer high horses. Dreamweaver cannot add any messy code if you're hand coding in code view, come on now, whoever said that is being silly. Of course DW writes messy code when you use the built in Dreamweaver functions but who said anything about that? It is no different to notepad++ when being used as a text editor. Does anyone agree with me here? Gossard Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-281515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballhogjoni Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 To post of the first about dreamweaver. Man I love it, it highlights the blocks of code and makes it alot easier to read the code. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/56772-do-i-need-to-know-html/#findComment-281521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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