The Little Guy Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I have to do a report on a subculture, I don't know what a good subculture to choose would be, any help would be greatly appreciated. With that I need to make a list of 5 beliefs and/or perceptions, that I need to ask someone about how accurate those beliefs and/or perceptions are. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Little Guy Posted November 22, 2008 Author Share Posted November 22, 2008 I think I am going to do "Hacker". So Here are 5 of my beliefs /perceptions, if you know any thing, please answer some/all of the following: 1. Hackers attack computers. 2. Hackers make only viruses. 3. Hackers have no social life. 4. Hackers get good computer related jobs to help protect software. 5. Hackers think they are better than everyone else because they know more about computers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 That depends on whether you choose the mainstream or the original definition of a hacker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Little Guy Posted November 22, 2008 Author Share Posted November 22, 2008 I chose what the common public describe "Hacker" as, or those who don't know much about computers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 In that case, 1 or 2 are true. 3 may or may not be true. 4 would likely be false if 1 or 2 are true. 5 would likely be true for that group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 #1 is somewhat too general for me... "Hackers attack computers"...I'd try "Hackers attack computers for (fun/money/no reason at all/to prove they're the best/highlight security problems, blackmail people/etc...)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ok Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Hackers are just a programmer Hackers are immature. (bad programmer) I can be too a hacker, because i have the complete CDs of Mastering cracking (Reverse Software Engineering CDs)... But i remember it's easy to destruct than to construct. So lets give respect to good hackers. (Like us). Cheers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Hackers are just a programmer Hackers are immature. (bad programmer) I can be too a hacker, because i have the complete CDs of Mastering cracking (Reverse Software Engineering CDs)... But i remember it's easy to destruct than to construct. So lets give respect to good hackers. (Like us). Cheers... According to the given definition you are a hacker if you illegally intrude IT systems. This means a hacker likely is a programmer, but not "just" a programmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerRobot Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 If we're talking perceptions of the group of people by others, then certainly all but 3 is true. #1 is somewhat too general for me... "Hackers attack computers"...I'd try "Hackers attack computers for (fun/money/no reason at all/to prove they're the best/highlight security problems, blackmail people/etc...)" Isn't your some-what extensive list justification for not specifying what they might do it for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I didn't mean to imply, that all positions from this list should be taken into consideration. Choose one to get less general preconception. On the other hand: "Luddities attack computers" so Luddities <=> Hackers ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 #1 is somewhat too general for me... "Hackers attack computers"...I'd try "Hackers attack computers for (fun/money/no reason at all/to prove they're the best/highlight security problems, blackmail people/etc...)" The point is for it to be general. You would then use specific examples to make up a paragraph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynewex Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Hackers are just a programmer Hackers are immature. (bad programmer) I can be too a hacker, because i have the complete CDs of Mastering cracking (Reverse Software Engineering CDs)... But i remember it's easy to destruct than to construct. So lets give respect to good hackers. (Like us). Cheers... I hope you meant morally bad, because the majority of "real" hackers are very good programmers. To hack something is to make it work the way you want it to. Doesn't automatically mean haxoring teh krap outta sites lol!!!11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Hackers are just a programmer Hackers are immature. (bad programmer) I can be too a hacker, because i have the complete CDs of Mastering cracking (Reverse Software Engineering CDs)... But i remember it's easy to destruct than to construct. So lets give respect to good hackers. (Like us). Cheers... I hope you meant morally bad, because the majority of "real" hackers are very good programmers. To hack something is to make it work the way you want it to. Doesn't automatically mean haxoring teh krap outta sites lol!!!11 Uhm... not in this context. See: I chose what the common public describe "Hacker" as, or those who don't know much about computers. The common public does not know hackers as people who modify stuff or as programmers. If you tell someone who doesn't know much about computers that you are a hacker then it will immediately have negative connotations. Even though the word originally meant something else that's not to say it cannot change meaning. When the majority of people define a word in a specific way then it must be valid. Indeed you may be referred to as a hacker even though you're just a script kiddie who cannot actually program. The word has changed and the "old hackers" need to accept that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynewex Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Hackers are just a programmer Hackers are immature. (bad programmer) I can be too a hacker, because i have the complete CDs of Mastering cracking (Reverse Software Engineering CDs)... But i remember it's easy to destruct than to construct. So lets give respect to good hackers. (Like us). Cheers... I hope you meant morally bad, because the majority of "real" hackers are very good programmers. To hack something is to make it work the way you want it to. Doesn't automatically mean haxoring teh krap outta sites lol!!!11 Uhm... not in this context. See: I chose what the common public describe "Hacker" as, or those who don't know much about computers. The common public does not know hackers as people who modify stuff or as programmers. If you tell someone who doesn't know much about computers that you are a hacker then it will immediately have negative connotations. Even though the word originally meant something else that's not to say it cannot change meaning. When the majority of people define a word in a specific way then it must be valid. Indeed you may be referred to as a hacker even though you're just a script kiddie who cannot actually program. The word has changed and the "old hackers" need to accept that. Agreed. A new name is needed. How about "Programmers who modify things and have a general interest in application security"? GIAS for short. Hey GIAS, wuddup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I think that's what the whole whitehat / blackhat is for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynewex Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Most won't understand the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 dunno...'white hat' and 'black hat' is not indigenous to the hacker community. Those terms have already been established as 'good guy' / 'bad guy' terms. The hacker community adopted it, not the other way around. And on top of that, they adopted it a long time ago. I think a lot of people will (do) indeed understand the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynewex Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Never underestimate a persons ability to refuse enlightenment on a subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Oh I don't. There's plenty of people out there that will write it all off to their preconceived notions, no matter how you try to explain it to them. I'm just pointing out that there is already an established means of differentiating the two that extends beyond the hacker culture. And even if it hasn't been established at all, IMO it's a lot more intuitive than "GIAS" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynewex Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Please don't tell me that you thought I was being serious when I said GIAS. Man, my trolling powers have increased by one. I don't even know when I'm trolling anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 nono, I didn't think you were being seriously serious. Just arguing for argument's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomfmason Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I think I am going to do "Hacker". So Here are 5 of my beliefs /perceptions, if you know any thing, please answer some/all of the following: 1. Hackers attack computers. 2. Hackers make only viruses. 3. Hackers have no social life. 4. Hackers get good computer related jobs to help protect software. 5. Hackers think they are better than everyone else because they know more about computers. With the exception of number 4 what you have described is a "script kiddie". Also, the term hacker in that context is just plain wrong. To me hacking is the act of finding a way of accomplishing a goal that was not previously known. A real hacker doesn't do most of things commonly associated with the name. These includes security related intrusions and viruses. If they do participate in illegal security intrusions they are not hackers but are crackers. If you are going to stick with the assumptions made above I would change "Hackers" to "Script Kiddies" and remove #4 from your list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 No 5 is not a script kiddie. They do generally not have superior knowledge of computer systems. They just use programs other people created instead of finding ways to do it themselves or find new holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I think that's what the whole whitehat / blackhat is for. Last time I tried installing Red Hat, its boot manager overwrote my partition table... Oh... wait a sec... these aren't linux distros, are they? If you are going to stick with the assumptions made above I would change "Hackers" to "Script Kiddies" and remove #4 from your list. Well... it's about misconceptions and general beliefs. We, the hackers, know that those are not true, but general public is a different thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I don't think I'd call myself a hacker. I'm more of a code dilettante. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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