Mchl Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Yeah 1 bad product isn't bad, but Vista? It's not bad actually MS has released more than 1 bad product, but as far OSs go, XP and Vista are not bad (sure, they could be a lot better... but then what couldn't?). I worked with MS OSs since DOS 3.0 and Windows 3.11... now talk about bad! Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-686535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerRobot Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 If they were that bad, why did you stick with them? Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-686538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 1: At first, there was nothing else to switch to. No linux yet and getting Mac in my country meant spending as much money as several monthly salaries. 2: All my schools required me to learn MS products and/or use MS products for my homework (well... for over two years now I'm doing most of that in OpenOffice) 3: My step-father runs a small company and he has chosen to use MS software (again, he had not much choice when starting, and changing that later is helluva work) 4: I suck at linux Tried it a few times. Once it cost me a lost of partition... Not my fault - CD with RedHat was faulty. Such things don't encourage to switching. 5: Despite what many linux fans say, not every software has it's functional counterpart for linux or runs fine in wine. I'm industrial automation engineer. I use a lot of software provided by automation hardware manufacturers and most of it does not work with linux (or anything else besides Windows for that matter). All in all I'm moving towards free software as much as I can. I have now Vista and Ubuntu on my laptop. I don't use Ubuntu much though... I failed to install WiFi card... Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-686539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonLewis Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Vista rocks, I don't see whats so bad about it. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-686542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoltZ Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Bad reputation. The mojave project helped prove that it was just bad reputation on some degree Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-686642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Main thing I hate about vista is how I get a popup box asking if I'm sure I want to do everything. "Are you sure you want to run this program?" "Are you sure you want to move this file?" "Are you sure you want to open this folder?" "Are you sure you want to allow this connection?" "Are you sure you want to close this program?" "Are you sure you want to get more coffee?" "Are you sure you want to kick me?" Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-686646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 This possibly saved me from running a malicious program from borrowed flash drive. And besides I hardly see anyone complaining about sudo. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-686652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoltZ Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Security goes first IMO Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-686680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerRobot Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Using sudo is nowhere near as annoying as UAC. You dont keep getting asked for the admin password to do the same thing with sudo, but you do keep getting asked to confirm with UAC. Moreover, windows already asks you if you want to run a program. It then feels necessary to check again. Turn UAC off. It's pointless. IMO it provides no security at all. People get used to clicking it whenever they see it without reading what it actually says. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-686805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 IMO it provides no security at all. People get used to clicking it whenever they see it without reading what it actually says. The users' stupidity/carelessness is not Microsoft's fault. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-686812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerRobot Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 IMO it provides no security at all. People get used to clicking it whenever they see it without reading what it actually says. The users' stupidity/carelessness is not Microsoft's fault. I disagree. If you are continually forced to repeat the same action, it becomes a habit to click without reading. That's human nature if you ask me - it has little to do with being stupid/careless I'm not against UAC per se, i'm against the way it was implemented. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-686816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Come on. It was Microsoft's first shot at such a feature. I bet in Windows 7 users will be required to input their administartor's password whenever they open task manager Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-686825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Come on. It was Microsoft's first shot at such a feature. I bet in Windows 7 users will be required to input their administartor's password whenever they open task manager 7's UAC is much more flexible. I tested it in a VM. IMO it provides no security at all. People get used to clicking it whenever they see it without reading what it actually says. The users' stupidity/carelessness is not Microsoft's fault. I disagree. If you are continually forced to repeat the same action, it becomes a habit to click without reading. That's human nature if you ask me - it has little to do with being stupid/careless If you answer a question without knowing what the question is then you are both stupid and careless in my opinion. Personally I sometimes find it annoying when I'm not prompted to verify my action. I've sometimes hit the wrong button and that resulted in loss of data. That's also the reason why many people alias rm to rm -i in Linux for the root user. To prevent accidental data loss. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-686855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbin Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Yeah 1 bad product isn't bad, but Vista? It's not bad actually Woo! When I first read that I was like "Dammit! Here we go again...." Then I was like, "Oh." ;p You got Windows 7? *jealous* Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-687252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I don't and I will not try it until it hits the market. I think I'm past those times, when I was fascinated in every new MS OS (simply because the older ones were so... not good ;P ) Now I could live with Win XP for what I care. It's just my laptop was shipped with Vista, so I use it. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-687256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbin Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Eh, I think it's my boredom that compels me to try new technology things. "What should I do now?" "I should mess up my perfectly good files/OS by selecting the wrong partition on which to install an OS I'll hardly ever use!" That's how I roll. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-687269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Oh yeah... that's how I ended up with Ubuntu that I hardly ever boot... Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-687314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbin Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Yeah I have Ubuntu in a VM. Hardly ever use it, although it is useful for some linux debugging. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-687368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonLewis Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Main thing I hate about vista is how I get a popup box asking if I'm sure I want to do everything. "Are you sure you want to run this program?" "Are you sure you want to move this file?" "Are you sure you want to open this folder?" "Are you sure you want to allow this connection?" "Are you sure you want to close this program?" "Are you sure you want to get more coffee?" "Are you sure you want to kick me?" Turn off UAC. Can be found in the control panel, just search for UAC and it'll give you the option. I was annoyed at that for a while but turning off UAC removes a hell of a lot of those warnings. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-687551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoltZ Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Thats why im awesome and decided to get windows xp professional instead Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/131289-aside-from-php-what-else-do-you-want-to-master/page/4/#findComment-688402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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