Will Websites Sue My Web Proxy Or Searchengine ?

[phpsane]

Folks,

 

I want to ask you somethings about web proxies.

QUESTION: 1.

Do not proxies infringe on copyright ? If so, then why they legal ?

Eg.

Original Page:

http://phpfreaks.com/php/user~requinix

Proxied Page:

http://proxy.com/proxy/?page=http://phpfreaks.com/php/user~requinix

In this example, the proxying page "http://proxy.com/proxy/?page=" is infringing on the website and page: http://phpfreaks.com/php/user~requinix

 

QUESTION: 2. 

Proxies place their own ads on infringed webpages and benefit from the visitors impressions or clicks. They attract visitors to their own or to their sponsor/advertiser ads using third party pages' infringed content. That is exploiting others' content for the proxy's commercial interests. Aren't their laws against such actions ?

 

QUESTION: 3a.

Imagine your web proxy logs all users' browsing histories and publicises them (with the users' consent) then would the websites they visited be able to sue the visitor or the proxy ?

Eg.

User "Gizmolo" visited "barand.com/samsung-galaxy/model-1.html" via requinix-proxy.com.

Gizmolo visited: http://requinix-proxy.com/proxy/?page=http://barand.com/samsung-galaxy/model-1.html

That visited page got publicized on the proxy's page that lists all users' browsing histories: http://requinix-proxy.com/proxy/users_browsing_histories.php

Imagine you see a listing like this:

 

Submission ID | Visitor (Proxy User) | Visitor (Proxy User) Contact Page | VISITED URL (proxied page)

-------------------------------------------------------------

0 | Gizmolo | http://requinix-proxy.com/user_contact_page/?user=gizmolo | http://requinix-proxy.com/?proxied_page=http://barand.com/samsung-galaxy/model-1.html

1 | PhpSane | http://requinix-proxy.com/user_contact_page/?user=phpsane | http://requinix-proxy.com/?proxied_page=http://ginerjm.com/dog_food/pack_1.htm

 

As you can see from the 2 examples above, the web proxy's "User's Browsing Histories" List page is publicising what User browsed what.

Now, note that, it is not directly publicising the third party webpages that each User browsed. Instead, it is listing the visited proxied pages.

 

QUESTION 3b:

My question is, can the third party website (in our example "barand.com") rightfully sue the web proxy (in our example "requinix-proxy.com) for revealing who their website visitor (in our example "Gizmolo") to the world in the public domain where the visited website's competitions get to learn who the visitor is and contact the visitor ?

From our example, can barand.com claim:

"You requinix-proxy.com not only revealed my visitors to my competitions but also gave the means to contact them and lure them over to their sites making me lose sales ?"

When the proxy replies back with the following then would that save her backside ?

"I did not directly send my user Gizmolo to your page but forwarded him to a proxied page and revealed he is a visitor of the proxied page. Plus, the proxied page is my own page since it's from my own domain.

1. And so, technically I did not reveal your website visitor to your competitions. Infact, I revealed my own proxied page (from my domain) visitor to your competitions.

2. It was my visitor's (Gizmolo's) wish that I reveal his browsing history to the world, including your competitions.

Therefore, if you try dictating what your website visitor (consumer) can and cannot do then that dictation would be illegal itself and your brand will become unpopular.

You have no right to dictate to me what I can and cannot do with my logs. It's my business. I own the copyright to the logs with the user's consent. Hence, it is my choice whether I sell them or give them away for free. I do not need your permission to reveal your website visitors to your competitions aslong as I got your visitor's permission to do so!

Your visitor (my proxy user) benefited from such disclosure as it attracted your competition to my user and they made a better offer (via the User's "Contact Page" ) than you and my User was happy with my service as it helped him find a suitable seller fast.

My service is to help businesses (websites) like your's find leads fast where consumers don't go hunting for sellers by visiting website after website but they only visit one or 2 websites and their competitions find my users on competition sites (via the Users' logs) and make better offers (via the User's "Contact Page) than the websites my users were browsing.

You may do the same by glancing over my Users' logs to see who is on your competitions sites and likewise make better offers (via the Users' "Contact Pages) and find customer leads.

Else, here is my proxy IP. Go and ban my proxy."

 

QUESTION 3c:

My question is folks, in this example, does the proxy have a chance to run legally such a proxy venture without getting sued by any website to where she sends her user (their visitor).

And technically and by law, would this visitor count as barand.com's visitor or requinix-proxy.com's proxied page visitor ?

 

Other programmers in other forums told me 2 years back that I don't have to worry about any website suing me. And so, even if I do not reveal logs like the following:

0 | Gizmolo | http://requinix-proxy.com/user_contact_page/?user=gizmolo | http://requinix-proxy.com/?proxied_page=http://barand.com/samsung-galaxy/model-1.html

1 | PhpSane | http://requinix-proxy.com/user_contact_page/?user=phpsane | http://requinix-proxy.com/?proxied_page=http://ginerjm.com/dog_food/pack_1.htm

 

but, reveal like the following:

0 | Gizmolo | http://requinix-proxy.com/user_contact_page/?user=gizmolo | http://barand.com/samsung-galaxy/model-1.html

1 | PhpSane | http://requinix-proxy.com/user_contact_page/?user=phpsane | http://ginerjm.com/dog_food/pack_1.htm

 

then, websites cannot legally sue me. (Note that, the 1st example publicises the visitied proxy pages while the latter publicise the direct webpages belonging to third party domains).

They say, I should be more worried about my searchengine users suing me. They say consumers will lose privacy and attract spam and sue me.

Back then, I told them I would run a searchengine that does all the above that I told you here my web proxy would do. Hence, they mentioned my searchengine and not proxy.

I told them not to worry about my searchengine users and I am telling you too not to worry about my web proxy users as I will get their consent to do all this.

Now, don't reply back to me "Good luck finding such users" because that is a different issue. Leave that to me. I know how to influence or motivate people to allow me to allow me to log their internet surfing histories and publicise them for their monetary gains. In short, my users won't sue me as I'm not only gonna help them shop better and attract better bargains and save money but help them earn money too. How help them earn money ? That is not the topic of this thread. The topic is, can websites sue me or not ? If they can then it is like saying you went to a brand and did not find anything and so went to an expert who advertised what your searching for and on the ad he wrote which brands and their models you've already viewed (so that these same brands don't contact you again or customise better bargains for you) and so the competitions can make better offers than the ones you rejected. And now, the rejected brands come and sue the product lead finding expert. You won't ever buy from these silly brands now will you ? They will become enemy number 1 to you. You know what, brands might not try suing in order to save themselves from becoming public enemy or consumer enemy number 1. Right ?

What is your opinion aswell as conclusion on all this ?

Interesting topic, hey ? Now you got something to ponder all night rolling right & left on your bed! Lol!

Interesting topic, hey ? Now you got something to ponder all night rolling right & left on your bed! Lol!
Do not forget to answer all my 6 questions by numbering them like I did when providing your answers. Ok ?

[requinix]

1. If they don't change the content and aren't trying to bypass any restrictions then they're okay.
2. Inserting ads is not okay.
3a. Don't break the rules.
3b. Not really.
3c. Maybe.

You talk about laws and suing like they're magic. This is yet another subject you know nothing about. Frankly I hope you put your site up, you don't get nearly as many visitors as you think you will, and you break some law that gets you shut down the next day.

[phpsane]

10 minutes ago, requinix said:

1. If they don't change the content and aren't trying to bypass any restrictions then they're okay.
2. Inserting ads is not okay.
3a. Don't break the rules.
3b. Not really.
3c. Maybe.

You talk about laws and suing like they're magic. This is yet another subject you know nothing about. Frankly I hope you put your site up, you don't get nearly as many visitors as you think you will, and you break some law that gets you shut down the next day.

Gosh! That was a fast reply!

After making this post, I was googling for "top 10 business forums" to get opinions of their users. Hopefully, I'll bump into some law people and get their opinions. Not gonna pay a lawyer $100/hr just to ask a few grey area questions and see the meter running on and on because they don't know what to make out of all this.

Anyway, this business or website idea is not uniquely mentioned here. Indirectly, discussed it over at devshed forum where Catacaustic for over 6mths tried guessing what my business model is that would enable my users to earn money from the publicity of their browsing and keywords searching histories. Before I could finish the project somebody banned me over there without an explanation. Poor Catacaustic waited over 12 mnths patiently and anxiously for me to finish my project so he can checkout my website and learn the big secret that makes users earn more money (via the disclosure of their surfing histories) more $$$ than what they spend as consumers. Now, he will never learn whether I was serious or a bluffer. Nevermind.

Anyway, I have you some questions for you.

A. You replied: "3a. Don't break the rules." I ask: What rules ?

B. And technically and by law, would this visitor count as barand.com's visitor or requinix-proxy.com's proxied page visitor ?

C. Users at other forums around 2yrs back, told me that. websites won't just try suing me. Will send "desist notice" first via their lawyers. And, if I don't get any then I am good to carry-on.

 

[requinix]

1 minute ago, phpsane said:

What rules ?

The ones about not doing bad things.

2 minutes ago, phpsane said:

And technically and by law,

Please stop.

2 minutes ago, phpsane said:

would this visitor count as barand.com's visitor or requinix-proxy.com's proxied page visitor ?

Yes.

2 minutes ago, phpsane said:

Users at other forums around 2yrs back, told me that. websites won't just try suing me. Will send "desist notice" first via their lawyers. And, if I don't get any then I am good to carry-on.

I don't know whether the UN sent a cease-and-desist to Saddam back when he was killing a bunch of people.

[phpsane]

Folks,

Consider this link:

http://requinix-proxy.com/?proxied_page=http://google.com

Imagine you visited that proxied page.

Now, would you be counted as the proxy's visitor or google.com's ? Good question, hey ?

[requinix]

1. You would be the proxy's visitor. google.com would see the proxy claiming to act as the user.

2. No comment.