stanleybb Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Im a web designer from england. I have recently been asked to work for this guy, to design his websites for him. He has around 120 domain names, now my question is this. 100+ of the domains are either escort sites, porn sites and fetish sites such as *link removed* (guess what thats about) now i have done some work already which involves working on the escort sites. The question is if you where in my shoes, what would you do? Would you leave or deal with it and find something better? Edit (Daniel0): Sorry, but we cannot allow links to adult websites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revraz Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I don't know why you are even posting this really. This is YOUR personal preference, not ours. Why do you care what we would do? Is it money? Do you care about the content? Make your own decisions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleybb Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 I just wanted to now if anybody would find that uncomfortable or just not give a crap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I personally will not do pr0n related work. I did do some work for a site that offered lingerie. But it was pretty tasteful, like a mom-and-pop shop version of Victoria's Secret. I don't mind doing stuff like that. I would not do it for moral reasons mostly, but even if I had no moral issues with it, you have to consider your professional image. What you put on your resume has a big impact on getting other jobs. So you have to decide whether having a list of pr0n related jobs are going to help or hurt you as far as getting other jobs. But, I do know a lot of coders who have no issues whatsoever doing it. As far as they are concerned, code is code, and they have nothing to do with what its being used for, therefore, not a moral issue. I tend to disagree with that logic. I mean, I personally could not sleep at night if I helped build the atom bomb, even if I wasn't the one who pushed the button. But again, that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 But, I do know a lot of coders who have no issues whatsoever doing it. They're in it for the sample material Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Would you leave or deal with it and find something better? Depends on what you define as better? What weighs more, morals and portfolio(if you care about it being on there) or money? What you put on your resume has a big impact on getting other jobs. So you have to decide whether having a list of pr0n related jobs are going to help or hurt you as far as getting other jobs. It's not like you have to put it on your resume. If your resume is more important, than find another gig you can stick on there. I mean, I personally could not sleep at night if I helped build the atom bomb, even if I wasn't the one who pushed the button. But again, that's just me Building something that will kill/injure thousands of people is hard to compare with a pr0n site, which really doesn't hurt anybody, it's a business. But I agree, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night either... All this is personal preference, it's relative to the person. I know some developers who have done pr0n related freelance that paid well, but they also didn't care about their image/portfolio. Personally, I would do it because my morals aren't against it and I don't need web development to eat, I have a full-time software developer position. There's my take on the situation, let us know what you do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleybb Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 I also forgot to mention that i have just come out of university so not great pay £15,000 a year at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I also forgot to mention that i have just come out of university so not great pay £15,000 a year I hope you're not waiting for an answer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleybb Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 Not really i can guess what everybody is going to say to be honest, as i said ive only just come out of university and done some freelance but this guy offered me the job (you got to get experience somewhere) but the pay is crap. But i guess thats because ive just come out of university and didnt expert to be working on strong fetish sites. Thanks for the advice by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Not really i can guess what everybody is going to say to be honest, as i said ive only just come out of university and done some freelance but this guy offered me the job (you got to get experience somewhere) but the pay is crap. But i guess thats because ive just come out of university and didnt expert to be working on strong fetish sites. Thanks for the advice by the way Yes, I understand. I recently graduated too, I was lucky enough to find a good job. But once again, it's money vs morals, which is more important? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleybb Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 Yeah but i agree with what crayon said aswell about the portfolio. If i put it on a CV it wont look good, yet if i dont it looks like i have no experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Yeah but i agree with what crayon said aswell about the portfolio. If i put it on a CV it wont look good, yet if i dont it looks like i have no experience. okay, so the question still remains, which is more important to you: money OR portfolio and morals (which doesn't sound like matters if you're debating whether or not to do it) Don't get me wrong, you could probably still find a decent paying gig that would be suitable for a resume, but as of right now, it doesn't seem like you have any, or at least that pay as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 well I don't think money vs. morals is really a debatable thing, when it comes to deciding for yourself. If you really believe in something, it would outweigh the money. So if money weighs in more than the moral, then you can't really say it was something you really believed in to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 well I don't think money vs. morals is really a debatable thing, when it comes to deciding for yourself. If you really believe in something, it would outweigh the money. So if money weighs in more than the moral, then you can't really say it was something you really believed in to begin with. Why can't you believe in something to a certain extent? So, if you're not willing to die for that belief do you really believe in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 because believing in "A" and believing in "A or B" is not the same thing. Or look at it in programming terms. if (A) is not the same as if (A || B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 It can be. Let A denote that a person is an atheist, and let R denote that a person is religious. Because A and R are contradictions, it's true that (¬A ∧ R) ∨ (A ∧ ¬R) = A ⊕ R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 ** Firstly, this is all relative, no one here is right or wrong here, these arguments about beliefs, are just beliefs. ** because believing in "A" and believing in "A or B" is not the same thing. I understand they're not the same thing, but you can believe in 2 different things and there's always X-factors that can determine what you choose. You can not believe in supporting pr0n but you can also believe that you need $ to provide for yourself (and your family if you have one). So if you have no money, and the only thing available is doing this pr0n site, then what do you do? Starve or override one of your morals to provide for your family? But if you want to look at a programmatic standpoint then it can be done: $A = "morals"; $B = "money"; $C = "portfolio"; if($A && !$B) { echo "I have morals"; } elseif($A) { echo "I still have morals"; } elseif($B) { echo "I like money"; } else { echo "What do I do?!?!"; } Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 no that's rigged. The way you have it setup, your first elseif implies ($a && $b) is true by virtue of the previous being not true. that's playing word games. You can play word games all day long like that, spin it how you want to sleep better at night. people do it all the time. "I just cut 20,000 jobs so I can get a bigger paycheck. I'm not REALLY a bad guy, I'm giving 20,000 people an opportunity to find a better job, so really, I'm doing something GOOD." That sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 no that's rigged. The way you have it setup, your first elseif implies ($a && $b) is true by virtue of the previous being not true. that's playing word games. You can play word games all day long like that, spin it how you want to sleep better at night. people do it all the time. Haha, you're right, maybe trying to put beliefs into PHP logic isn't the best way to present an argument, but you started it! @stanleybb, I think you're starting to see that this argument is going into an infinite loop... Reason being is because none of us are right! It's your decision, good luck with everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 all I'm saying is that if you really believe in God (the end-all-be-all of everything) and you really believe that when he says something is wrong and if you do that wrong thing, you're in trouble..if you turn around and did it, then you can't say that you really believed that previous stuff. You can't say you don't care, because if God is the end-all-be-all, then there's nothing beyond that. It's impossible not to care, unless you don't really believe in the first place. If God says he's going to take care of you, and something comes along that would be a bad thing, ignore it. If you really believe God is going to take care of you, he's not a hypocrite. He's not gonna tell you not to do this, but make this the only thing you can survive by. So if you believe you have no other choice, then you can't honestly say you believe what God says at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Well, sometimes it's a little more complicated. For example, what would you do in this situation. God says, "Never say, the word, 'computer'". Someone takes your daughter hostage and says, I'm going to kill her unless you say the word, "computer". What do you do? (don't say I would say the word "computer" and go to confession so God will forgive me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Okay I'm not saying that doing the right thing is the easy thing. In fact, the bible says doing the right thing is actually the harder thing, the narrow path, etc.. You would not be okay if your child decides to do what you want them to do, whenever they feel like it. Well, you would, depending on the situation, because you recognize that you are not perfect. But God is perfect. So if He is perfect, there would be no instances of you saying "I know you said this, but..." Therefore, doing what God tells you to do should trump everything else, because God is perfect and knows everything and the bigger picture, and you do not. I have 4 kids. They do stupid shit all the time. I'd say 99% of the time they do something stupid, it's because they don't know any better. But they think they do. Kids think they know and understand everything, but they don't. That doesn't change when you grow up. At least, not from God's level of experience. Adults are prone to think they know everything just the same. So to make a long story short, if I truly believe in God, and saying "computer" is a no-no to Him, and someone was going to kill my daughter if I didn't say it, then I would not say it. If I were to say it, that would mean that I was putting my daughter above God. But I can't really believe that God is, well, God, if someone or something could be put above Him. That doesn't mean it's an easy thing to do. And that doesn't mean I'd actually do it in that situation. And that doesn't mean that God won't forgive you if you were acting out of ignorance. But we aren't exactly talking about acting out of ignorance; you are right: you can't just say "hey I can do bad things and just go to confession later." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 That doesn't mean it's an easy thing to do. And that doesn't mean I'd actually do it in that situation. And that doesn't mean that God won't forgive you if you were acting out of ignorance. But we aren't exactly talking about acting out of ignorance; you are right: you can't just say "hey I can do bad things and just go to confession later." To clarify that bolded part: In other words, I can say right now (not being in the situation) that I wouldn't say computer. But I have the luxury of not being in that situation. I may find out in a situation like that that my faith isn't as great as I claim right now. That's why I shy away from making claims about my faith. Instead, all I can say is that God promises that He will not give us more than we can handle, or put us into situations that we can't handle. So if you do truly believe in God, and you do find yourself in that situation, then remember that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 That doesn't mean it's an easy thing to do. And that doesn't mean I'd actually do it in that situation. First you said you would do it and now you're saying you may not actually do it. So you believe in taking the life of an innocent child for another belief? When does it stop? Would you blow up New York City for your belief? Listen, I don't want this to turn into a religious argument, which may be too late, but my point was that if 2 beliefs conflict you may have to violate one to follow/achieve the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 That doesn't mean it's an easy thing to do. And that doesn't mean I'd actually do it in that situation. First you said you would do it and now you're saying you may not actually do it. So you believe in taking the life of an innocent child for another belief? When does it stop? Would you blow up New York City for your belief? Read my followup post on that. I knew you'd spot that. Listen, I don't want this to turn into a religious argument, which may be too late, but my point was that if 2 beliefs conflict you may have to violate one to follow/achieve the other. but that's my point. It's not possible to simultaneously believe in conflicting things. You either believe in one thing or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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