nrg_alpha Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Seems like Microsoft has finally started participating in discussions involving the HTML 5 specifications. http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/ie-program-manager-endorses-html-5-multimedia-tags.ars Microsoft originally declined an invitation to join WHATWG early in the process of defining HTML 5. Microsoft's involvement has been minimal and the company has largely declined to comment on its intentions with regard to implementation. Despite this, Microsoft has adopted a handful of HTML 5 features, such as DOM Storage, and the specification itself has adopted several features that Microsoft introduced in Internet Explorer, such as the contentEditable attribute. Bateman, a program manager in Microsoft's Internet Explorer group, became an active participant in the HTML 5 revision process last month. He posted messages to the official W3C mailing list to articulate Microsoft's views on key components of HTML 5. "As part of our planning for future work, the IE team is reviewing the current editor's draft of the HTML5 spec and gathering our thoughts. We want to share our feedback and discuss this in the working group," Bateman wrote. "At this stage we have more questions than answers but I believe that discussing them in public is the best way to make progress." About time.. You would think that the world's largest browser vendor would have been actively involved with HTML 5 earlier on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbin Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 About time.. You would think that the world's largest browser vendor would have been actively involved with HTML 5 earlier on. As long as they're the largest browser, they have no reason to care . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 About time.. You would think that the world's largest browser vendor would have been actively involved with HTML 5 earlier on. As long as they're the largest browser, they have no reason to care . Yes they do. Their market share is in a decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbin Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Hrmmm true.... Even if they adhered to standards, I don't think that would change. The UI of Firefox/Chrome/Safari/Opera are all better than IE. They look better and are more responsive. Then again, I just hate IE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zane Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Yeah if they don't adapt to HTML 5 before Windows 7 ships out then...well, I guess they'd just have to do their usual thing and make a service pack or another damned version of Internet Explorer. Because you know people are gonna buy the Windows stuff regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbin Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Internet Explorer 46! Now Supporting HTML 5! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Yeah if they don't adapt to HTML 5 before Windows 7 ships out then...well, I guess they'd just have to do their usual thing and make a service pack or another damned version of Internet Explorer. Win7 is already RTM. I'm running it right now (not a pirated one, mind you). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg_alpha Posted September 19, 2009 Author Share Posted September 19, 2009 Yeah if they don't adapt to HTML 5 before Windows 7 ships out then...well, I guess they'd just have to do their usual thing and make a service pack or another damned version of Internet Explorer. Well, since HTML 5 is still beig worked on, I wouldn't expect IE to support it just yet (I'm not sure if IE 8 supports fragments of HMTL 5 like some other browsers do, as I am using version 7 for testing stuff in IE.. so I have my doubts) Perhaps IE 9 (10 the latest)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redarrow Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Time that html5 come into play as standard ill be very old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevans Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Yeah if they don't adapt to HTML 5 before Windows 7 ships out then...well, I guess they'd just have to do their usual thing and make a service pack or another damned version of Internet Explorer. True, but Windows 7 is not coming with IE in Europe - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/5514948/Microsoft-to-ship-Windows-7-without-Internet-Explorer.html Also a hell of a lot is going to change before html 5 is ready - http://ishtml5readyyet.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Actually it is. They dropped dropping IE in EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevans Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Actually it is. They dropped dropping IE in EU. Really? Well done microsoft. The one move you made that impressed me has now been turned around... Doesn't really bother me, seeing as I already have about 8 browsers for testing anyway. Plus I can't imagine joe blogs with his new computer knows that he would need to get a browser installer so that he can go online before he can go online and get one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbin Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Wait..... So now MS is going to include IE with Win 7 in EU? How did they manage to get that turned around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevans Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 From http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/archive/2009/08/24/update-on-windows-7-in-europe.aspx On July 24th, 2009 – we announced a new proposal to the European Commission address competition concerns regarding the Windows OS and Internet Explorer web browser. Under this new proposal, customers in Europe who buy a new Windows PC with Internet Explorer set as their default browser would be shown a “ballot screen.” Through this ballot screen, people can easily download and install the browser of their choice from the web. They got around it by adding a "ballot screen". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg_alpha Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 They got around it by adding a "ballot screen". When Google's OS hit, I wonder if they'll be forced to do something similar in Europe (perhaps given they are not the majority in the browser market share, they might not have to - yet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 They got around it by adding a "ballot screen". When Google's OS hit, I wonder if they'll be forced to do something similar in Europe (perhaps given they are not the majority in the browser market share, they might not have to - yet). They won't. Special rules apply to monopolies and Google does not have a monopoly on neither the OS nor browser market. Under EU law, no monopoly in one market may be used to force or help a monopoly in a different market. That's also why Apple is allowed to ship Safari with OS X. You may call it a stupid law, but it's a law nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg_alpha Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 Yeah, I figured it might have something to do with the involvement of monopolies. I guess if Apple or Google ever evolve into a full fledged monopolies, the law's reticle will be focused on them at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbin Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 From http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/archive/2009/08/24/update-on-windows-7-in-europe.aspx On July 24th, 2009 – we announced a new proposal to the European Commission address competition concerns regarding the Windows OS and Internet Explorer web browser. Under this new proposal, customers in Europe who buy a new Windows PC with Internet Explorer set as their default browser would be shown a “ballot screen.” Through this ballot screen, people can easily download and install the browser of their choice from the web. They got around it by adding a "ballot screen". Quite clever on Microsoft's part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg_alpha Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 From http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/archive/2009/08/24/update-on-windows-7-in-europe.aspx On July 24th, 2009 – we announced a new proposal to the European Commission address competition concerns regarding the Windows OS and Internet Explorer web browser. Under this new proposal, customers in Europe who buy a new Windows PC with Internet Explorer set as their default browser would be shown a “ballot screen.” Through this ballot screen, people can easily download and install the browser of their choice from the web. They got around it by adding a "ballot screen". Quite clever on Microsoft's part. If you think that's clever, just wait till windows 8 ships with the 2012 US presidential ballots! You can vote for the next prez while registering your copy of Win 8 as well as choosing which browser you want to install.. oh wait, that ballot is for Europe.. never mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinM1 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Ballot: IE or Lynx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg_alpha Posted September 26, 2009 Author Share Posted September 26, 2009 Hmmm.. Is MS skewing this 'ballot' system in their favor? Selecting another browser requires "the user to confirm and answer threatening and confusing warnings and questions," the group's lawyer, Thomas Vinje of Clifford Chance LLP, told the WSJ. "Microsoft has cunningly found a way to accept the commission's suggestion of a ballot screen, but to do so in a way that will be entirely ineffective." Found in the link above: http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/176956.asp - Mozilla wants clarification on Europe browser ballot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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