Masna Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I come across lots and lots of criticism across the net towards PHP and many of its axioms as well as implementations. How do you all feel about this? Do we agree that PHP, overall, is not a solid, dependable language? Do we disagree and argue that, with the right set of tools and knowledge, PHP is as good a language as any? Some examples of the hate I often see are on phpwtf.org. Although essentially all of it is avoidable, there are some things worth discussing (I think). Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/260830-how-does-phpfreaks-feel-about-the-hate-php-often-gets-as-a-language/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/260830-how-does-phpfreaks-feel-about-the-hate-php-often-gets-as-a-language/#findComment-1336854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masna Posted April 12, 2012 Author Share Posted April 12, 2012 Lol. Well said. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/260830-how-does-phpfreaks-feel-about-the-hate-php-often-gets-as-a-language/#findComment-1336856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinM1 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 PHP is solid. It's not without shortcomings. Unfortunately, because it's so easy to get results fast, a lot of PHP code is written horribly. That, IMO, is the largest contributing factor of PHP's negative reputation. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/260830-how-does-phpfreaks-feel-about-the-hate-php-often-gets-as-a-language/#findComment-1336864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masna Posted April 12, 2012 Author Share Posted April 12, 2012 PHP is solid. It's not without shortcomings. Unfortunately, because it's so easy to get results fast, a lot of PHP code is written horribly. That, IMO, is the largest contributing factor of PHP's negative reputation. I tend to agree with this. Its ease-of-use is both a blessing and a curse for the Internet as a whole. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/260830-how-does-phpfreaks-feel-about-the-hate-php-often-gets-as-a-language/#findComment-1336867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Some examples of the hate I often see are on phpwtf.org. I took a quick look at some of the posts on there, and I think every one of the posts I read was either shown to be correct or someone effectively said "RTFM". Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/260830-how-does-phpfreaks-feel-about-the-hate-php-often-gets-as-a-language/#findComment-1336950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kicken Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Ditto. As far as I am concerned, PHP is just fine for what it's primary purpose is. Sure it's got it's quirks but most languages do. I tend to agree that it gets a bad rap due largely to the fact that it's forgiving of mistakes which makes it easy for novices to churn out some crap code. On the flip side of that though, it makes it much easier to create simple scripts for small/specific tasks. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/260830-how-does-phpfreaks-feel-about-the-hate-php-often-gets-as-a-language/#findComment-1336952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignace Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 The fun part about PHPWTF is that the website is written in PHP. Makes me think the owner is like: I REALLY HATE PHP... Dumbass language... But I am not smart enough to understand pointers and this thing called garbage collection to program C Choice of language is just that.. You don't like it, move on! Go program Java, boy! That said you shouldn't be limiting yourself to one language anyway. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/260830-how-does-phpfreaks-feel-about-the-hate-php-often-gets-as-a-language/#findComment-1337113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinM1 Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I can't wait to try a functional language. F# looks pretty sweet. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/260830-how-does-phpfreaks-feel-about-the-hate-php-often-gets-as-a-language/#findComment-1337126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignace Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I can't wait to try a functional language. F# looks pretty sweet. Try Scheme. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/260830-how-does-phpfreaks-feel-about-the-hate-php-often-gets-as-a-language/#findComment-1337148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scootstah Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 That, IMO, is the largest contributing factor of PHP's negative reputation. It is a big part, but I think the biggest issue is the inconsistency with the language. I'm a mainly PHP programmer, but I can still see all of the silly inconsistencies with the language. Some function names have underscores while very similar ones do not. Some functions have "2" in the name, some have "to". Argument order is seemly random at times. It's not a huge deal for me, I work around it. My IDE shows me hints and such so that it's not a problem. But, it still gives the language bad reputation. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/260830-how-does-phpfreaks-feel-about-the-hate-php-often-gets-as-a-language/#findComment-1337294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 I come across lots and lots of criticism across the net towards PHP and many of its axioms as well as implementations. How do you all feel about this? Do we agree that PHP, overall, is not a solid, dependable language? Do we disagree and argue that, with the right set of tools and knowledge, PHP is as good a language as any? Some examples of the hate I often see are on phpwtf.org. Although essentially all of it is avoidable, there are some things worth discussing (I think). I probably don't really need to state the obvious, but considering this is a php site and we are named phpfreaks, I suspect opinions about php will be biased towards php... Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/260830-how-does-phpfreaks-feel-about-the-hate-php-often-gets-as-a-language/#findComment-1337345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinM1 Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 That, IMO, is the largest contributing factor of PHP's negative reputation. It is a big part, but I think the biggest issue is the inconsistency with the language. I'm a mainly PHP programmer, but I can still see all of the silly inconsistencies with the language. Some function names have underscores while very similar ones do not. Some functions have "2" in the name, some have "to". Argument order is seemly random at times. It's not a huge deal for me, I work around it. My IDE shows me hints and such so that it's not a problem. But, it still gives the language bad reputation. Oh, definitely. It's one of those things that really shows the slapdash nature of some of the additions the language has had over time. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/260830-how-does-phpfreaks-feel-about-the-hate-php-often-gets-as-a-language/#findComment-1337377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignace Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 I probably don't really need to state the obvious, but considering this is a php site and we are named phpfreaks, I suspect opinions about php will be biased towards php... You underestimate us! We can be really neutral on these subjects... For we are enlightened. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/260830-how-does-phpfreaks-feel-about-the-hate-php-often-gets-as-a-language/#findComment-1337378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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