igor berger Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 Why use a template when you can build from scratch! Travel Agent Website www.travelconnecxion.com Will take comments and suggestions! Igor igorberger@yahoo.com Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcombs_31 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 Is this spam? I think a template probably would have helped you because the site is all over the place... Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-241527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clown[NOR] Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Some things I noticed right away. 1. The pink logo didn't match the page very well, and the text is blury. 2. The alignment of you tables are, like jcombs_31 said, all over the place Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-242607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnottyAlder Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 My opinion is that a main page should never be longer then one screen view. And I'm not digging the green. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-242929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
twilightnights Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 you need a color theme and more refined borders, it looks only semi-professional could look better Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-243252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor berger Posted May 2, 2007 Author Share Posted May 2, 2007 This is not a Spam, but 3 years worth of work! Let me try to answer your comments one at a time. 1. Using an off the shelf template forces you to restrictions and conditions of the template! To do any limited modifications you are forced to learn the code of the template, debug what ever errors that is there, and add additional code. 2. The colors of the Website and of the logo come from the history of the domain. 3. There is a reason why the main page is longer than one screen view, which I do not wish to elaborate on right now! 4. As to the tables being all other the place you guys have a point! The website is a series of php includes that I configured and placed inside one table! When you load the page even though I have set width on the top table, it tends to open up to the size of your screen – if you have a large screen monitor – it behaves like an accordion! Any suggestions how to fix this! Can it be fixed, because I see the same problem happening when you use div tag as well. In IE it is compressed to its size right a way, but you Opera and Firefox fans will get it compressed in front of your eyes! So maybe the answer is in HTML not php, how to get the table to be absolute anchored fixed width? To really see what PHP is in there, you have to open up the hood of the car! Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-243569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
suttercain Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 I would have to agree with the other. The colors are hideous. If I cam across this site via google or yahoo, I would click back in a second. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor berger Posted May 3, 2007 Author Share Posted May 3, 2007 Okay! Let's not bang the dead dog to the polp! You guys do not like the colors! Next? Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmgmyr Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 instead of having that long link list on the left, maybe you can look into using a chained select for choices OR Just put the link section titles as links, then when you click that it takes them to the next page with more choices. But you really shouldn't keep the long list as is. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
suttercain Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 I'll get more in depth if you like: 1. The " Exchange Calculator" link near the top right is not in contrast with the rest of the page and is hard to see. 2. On your left side navigation menu under "Discount Airfares" you have two text links, an image link which looks like it belongs on a casino site, and than two more text links. That flow isn't nice looking. 3. Under "Search Airfares" you have an animated gif that looks like it belongs on a website from the mid-nineties. 4. Above the "Welcome to" and the four images you have a blank white space and to the left of that a mis-aligned green image (http://www.travelconnecxion.com/images/icon_3.gif) which cause that section to look "broken". 5. Back to the left menu bar. You list over 55 links.... condense... or maybe just use a drop down menu. 6. Near the bottom of the page where you wrote "If you have something interesting to say about traveling in Asia or living and working in Asia please email me and I will post your article on my website, with a link to your blog or website!" Beneath this text you have a large empty whitespace. 7. Back to the top. You have a giant google ad on a business site. The ad isn't centered, does not match the site colors and it an eyesore. 8. I know you've been drilled about the colors but here is some feedback. Use 3 or 4 colors. Use those same colors through out the site. You literally use every HTML color ever invented on a single page. It looks really, really bad. 9. If viewing this page on a resolution over 800 width, the viewer can see the gray background which is bland. Use the green (hopefully you change that) or a basic white or black. Some constructive criticism. If your site looks "unprofessional" your business looks unprofessional! Why would I, as a consumer, trust you with my money? Based on the site it is unorganized, unprofessional looking and not easy to navigate. I would assume the business also contains those three negative points. I am not saying you do, but if I was the consumer looking to book travel plans... I'd go elsewhere. SC Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clown[NOR] Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 I can see you have put some serious hours behind this site.. I live in Norway, and grew up in a town called Drammen.. not even all norwegians knows abour that town But you even have pictures, address and everything for both hotels there... nice Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor berger Posted May 3, 2007 Author Share Posted May 3, 2007 Thank you for all your input, and I am taking all your criticism in stride! I guess I asked for it by coming here! I am a one men show Webmaster, doing HTML, PHP, MySql, Graphics, SEO. I have 25,000 Pages on the Website. As much as I agree about the design being shit, my primary concern, can Google find me! I do need some help fixing the accordion affect on greater than 800 resolution monitor, when using Opera and Firefox! I do not have this problem using IE! Is this problem my bug and bad HTML design or this is a bag in Opera and Firefox? I made the Website especially to fit on 800 resolution monitor, without needing to use a horizontal scroll bar. I open the website on my 1024 resolution screen monitor using Opera and it looks like shit, with the tables all over the place until the page is fully loaded! This only happens when I load the home page for the first time in the browser session. Later going to other pages and even back to the home page it does not have this effect. Please give a helping not push me down to the ground! 3 years of building this thing is a big chunk of my life! If you guys think you can do better, more power to you! But as the topic states, “Build from scratch, not off the shelf templates.” I can add and subtract any link on top, left, bottom, menu, and it will change on all my 25,000 pages! Some of the menu links are dynamically generated in a subset! Can you do this with Rubi on Wheels or some other of the shelf software??? So, please the accordion affect on greater than 800 resolution monitor??? Help! Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmgmyr Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 If you have that many pages, why would you hard code it on each page? You should have used a "template" system like in dreamweaver or used a php include for the links. Then you just have to edit one page and not 25,000+. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clown[NOR] Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 4. As to the tables being all other the place you guys have a point! The website is a series of php includes that I configured and placed inside one table! When you load the page even though I have set width on the top table, it tends to open up to the size of your screen – if you have a large screen monitor – it behaves like an accordion! I think you should try finding another way to include the files. The tables wont stick on the same spot if you don't configure everything right. Let's say you want the main table to be 800px wide, but your header is 900px. Then the picture wont resize to 800px, but the table will become 900px to. So if all your includes ends up wider than 800px your page design will mess up.. and I really think you shuold store all the info to databses instead of files.. Saves you so much work. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor berger Posted May 3, 2007 Author Share Posted May 3, 2007 I did say, "I can change a link on one page and it changes on 25,000 pages" Try that with dreamweaver! And how are you going to change a link in dreamweaver if it is dynamically generated by PHP/MySql code??? I did say that the website is a collection of PHP includes in one table! Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor berger Posted May 3, 2007 Author Share Posted May 3, 2007 I actually set the top main template to 750 and header and footer to 750, they go inside the top main template! Only 800 or so pages are files, the rest of the 25,000 pages come from MySql Can some on pop the sucker into a text editor and do a forensics on it, and see why it is behaving as accordion in Opera and Foxpro? Even though Opera and Foxpro are like 2 % of the web traffic I still want to make it look professional in these browsers! I do not want to stomp on the underdog and let Softy eat all the whip cream! Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
suttercain Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Hi Igor, As far as the 800 vs the 1024 and higher, all you need to do is set the background color to match the green color you use or something like a black or white would also work. I use fire fox and it doesn't look like "shit" in the gray, it just looks bland. Can you do me a favor and post your source code from the home page here? That'll help me troubleshot and maybe help you with some includes and what not. SC Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clown[NOR] Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 I took the source code and did a quick scan, opened it up in Dreamweaver and it told me you had a couple of html tag errors.. some font, span, td tags i removed them, opened it up in Opera, and everything is aligned now, except the little green spacer between the top part of the page Airfares Special Promotions Hotels Tours Visa Services Train Tickets Payment Information About Us Our Location Home and the main content... also at the bottom by the Pingo ad there's a small glitch in the green section http://oleaa.net/files/test.htm that's the result Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor berger Posted May 3, 2007 Author Share Posted May 3, 2007 You do not get the accordion effect when you load it 1024 in Firefox? The table starts big on the screen, then shrinks down to 800? Try clearing your cache close your Firefox browser completely and open it again and load the home page! I have this problem on my Opera browser, but IE it looks good! I will be posting PHP code later! First I would like to take care of the HTML bug! Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor berger Posted May 3, 2007 Author Share Posted May 3, 2007 Clown, the problem still persists, if you clear your Opera cache! Alo you should set up a robots.txt if you going to test other people websites, because Google will penalize you with duplicate content! But being that you have PR 0, maybe it is not important! Google can nerver find you! :-\ Usually missed or extra HTMl tag does not kill the document unless you have td tr mismatch and did not use colspan! Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clown[NOR] Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 i tried in Firefox now and I don't get that problem.. but what I also noticed was that your site was aligned almost perfectly in both firefox and IE, but in opera it looks really messed up... What are you talking about? What's PR 0? Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
suttercain Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Hi Igor, Nope, no accordion effect. I looked at it at 1024 in Firefox. I ended up looking at the code for the homepage (HTML & Java only) and you have numerous errors. I mean a lot. I ran validation and came back with about 50 or so validation issues. I know you don't want to hear this BUT... I would start over. The site is, how do I say this without offending, a mess. GOOGLE... you want the site to come up on Google, you need to have people link to you. People will not link to that site as it is now. Sorry to be harsh, but that site is extremely flawed... I would never enter my credit card number on that site. Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor berger Posted May 3, 2007 Author Share Posted May 3, 2007 Tanx! So this is an Opera bug! Well I still would like to fix it if I can. Trying to please everyone! Google PR 1 to 10 If you do not have Google PR you can have the best designed Website but no one will know about it! <___> Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor berger Posted May 3, 2007 Author Share Posted May 3, 2007 Enter credit card details? Where would you do that? I have not shown my payment gateway PHP/MySQL back admin driven! As for the HTML bugs, I know they are small, they are like bed bugs at a cheap friendly guesthouse! <___> I do have Google PR 4, so linking to me is not like having sex with HIV positive without protection! I do not have any hidden code, style sheets, or JavaScript generated PR! I am squeakyclean! There are some good websites with PR 6, 5, 4 linking to me! I got myself linked to on www.businessweek.com I am proud of this one! Doing my best in the linkige department! But will take your word of advise to clean some HTMl bugs! Need to get a dreamweaver or do online check! What is a Website to get a free HTML health check up? I do all my HTML and PHP coding by heart! Notepad rules! Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor berger Posted May 3, 2007 Author Share Posted May 3, 2007 Suttercain, I check your website www.supermandatabase.com and you have disabled link menus. In PhpNuke you should get rid of the links that do not click, it makes your site look bad! But nice work for a off the shelf template driven site! Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/49248-solved-php-mysql-website-from-scratch/#findComment-244723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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