Garethp Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Like, when someone asks for help, and you give them what you want, they give you a point. Just like a badge to say, I've helped x amount of people Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonLewis Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I think this has been discussed before, a while back. Take a look at this thread. The system would be abused, IMO. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-641776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 You could say that we in a way do have a karma system. We have a number of guru groups (yellow-ish stars) in which people are placed if they've been helpful in those areas. Above those are PHP Freaks recommended (green stars). Then there are the mod and admin groups, but those are for other purposes. The mods and admins are primarily responsible for maintaining the site, but even then it's unlikely that someone would go from regular member to mod or skip other steps in the hierarchy. There is no perfect system, but we've found that manually placing people in groups works best. This has drawbacks as well seeing as people who've been here for a long time, but haven't been placed in another group, might find it unfair that they haven't been selected. Even then, we (the administration) think that the current system is the best. We're open to suggestions though - this is your community after all Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-641792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonLewis Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Yeah looking at the staff page you can see the order of hierarchy. Manual is most probably the safer route as introducing some sort of ranking system can still be unfair. When people are promoted or rise up in the hierarchy is the community notified? I don't recall reading topics about someone receiving a rank promotion. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-641799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 There are only internal notifications (indirectly, because we nominate and vote). You can, however, check the staff page, which you linked to, if you are interested in knowing who is and isn't staff. If you've been paying attention then you'll for instance have noticed that we dropped the Super Moderator group (purple). Also, people who get promoted to anything will be active members, so you should see them regularly and thus notice their stars change. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-641802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonLewis Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Yes I did notice the drop (but it didn't really click), because CV is no longer part of a group. I thought he resigned or something, but didn't really notice the entire group being dropped. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-641803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Oh, well CV quit, but the removal of the super moderator group was after that. Those who were in that group has simply been moved to the global moderator group as they were before the super moderator group existed. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-641894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Point system would be cool, something like Sun's forums with the different color stars you get for a certain amount of duke star points. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Nooo!! Then I'll have one more excuse to waste so much time here! Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Hehe, don't you want to have a platinum star next to your name?! Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Well of course I will want it if it's ever available. My family will leave me... Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 We used to have yellow stars (or gold if you wish) Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I wish both Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 So no more karma or stars? Or is this in discussion...? Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbullmarky Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 as Daniel said, the manual way tends to work better and has for some time. personally, i can see what'll happen if we start adding karma or points systems - loads of people answering as much as possible without really putting that much thought and effort in, just to have the ability to show off how many stars they have. I'm not huge on that sort of thing - i'm not one to care much about my own post count or karma, i just come here to help and get help. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Yes, I see what you mean and agree with you. People would abuse the system b/c they care about getting their precious gold star. Although, it would be nice to know what level the person that is helping you is at. Since the current ranks are manually picked there are a lot of helpful people on these forums that aren't chosen. Maybe there could be a combination of multiple things to get certain stars. Like posts, karma points, topics started, etc... and certain combinations reward certain stars. Just a thought... Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mchl Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 And certification exams... Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 And certification exams... Haha funny idea, but I have a feeling that some people may cheat... Edit (Daniel0): Fixed bbcodes. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 The problem with automated stars, ranks, etc. is that they're not necessarily representative of the user's actual skills. As it were before, someone with ten yellow stars and the rank of Genius (5000+ posts) would not necessarily be a genius. In fact, that person might have been posting crap solutions all over the place. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I totally agree with you it's just the fact that I know myself along with many other people wouldn't post crap just to get ranks. It sucks that these trolls are ruining something that's supposed to be meaningful and helpful. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Instead of working towards a superficial rank with no meaning you can work to get hand picked for Guru and PFR. To me that would seem more appealing Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 The main concern with a "karma" system was that people could abuse it. They might give good karma to someone's post (even their own) simply because they like the person. Or the same with bad karma. Despite that concern, we actually did give it a brief run, and sure enough, people were doing exactly that. We felt that because of this, other people might see high(er) karma'd people and think they are representative of the (ideals of the) community, when in fact they are not. We felt that the best way to trust people was to just hand pick them. We do recognize even that is not a guarantee, but we feel that so far it's the best method. Alternate suggestions are always welcome. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbin Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I remember when there used to be a post count based system. Let's just say there were a few people with some shiny stars who definitely did not deserve them. At all. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 haha like...me? Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 As do I. I also agree 100% with you on the consequences of having this kind of system. I just wanted to know if the administration was considering bringing this back... Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/124276-point-system/#findComment-642560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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