Jump to content


Photo

other languages


  • Please log in to reply
42 replies to this topic

#21 obsidian

obsidian
  • Staff Alumni
  • Advanced Member
  • 3,202 posts
  • LocationSeattle, WA

Posted 02 October 2006 - 05:57 PM

ha! kirupa.com! that was the first place i ever went to when i first got into flash! awesome place! haven't been there in years. I wonder if they are still doing that pixel town project?


haven't seen much on the pixel town in a while, but they've still kept pretty up to date with flash versions and stuff. very nice resource. usually my first hit with questions on flash... :D

update... still very much alive is the kirupaville pixel town! very cool stuff
You can't win, you can't lose, you can't break even... you can't even get out of the game.

<?php
while (count($life->getQuestions()) > 0)
{   $life->study(); } ?>
  LINKS: PHP: Manual MySQL: Manual PostgreSQL: Manual (X)HTML: Validate It! CSS: A List Apart | IE bug fixes | Zen Garden | Validate It! JavaScript: Reference Cards RegEx: Everything RegEx

#22 .josh

.josh
  • Staff Alumni
  • .josh
  • 14,871 posts

Posted 02 October 2006 - 06:04 PM

yay pixel town! I almost decided to submit something for it a whiles back. But I just didn't feel my skills were good enough :(
Did I help you? Feeling generous? Buy me lunch! 
Please, take the time and do some research and find out how much it would have cost you to get your help from a decent paid-for source. A "roll-of-the-dice" freelancer will charge you $5-$15/hr. A decent entry level freelancer will charge you around $15-30/hr. A professional will charge you anywhere from $50-$100/hr. An agency will charge anywhere from $100-$250/hr. Think about all this when soliciting for help here. Think about how much money you are making from the work you are asking for help on. No, we do not expect you to pay for the help given here, but donating a few bucks is a fraction of the cost of what you would have paid, shows your appreciation, helps motivate people to keep offering help without the pricetag, and helps make this a higher quality free-help community :)

#23 Ninjakreborn

Ninjakreborn
  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • Information Technology Specialist
  • 3,922 posts
  • Age:33

Posted 02 October 2006 - 06:07 PM

Ok, so after I finish what I am studying, I will move over into learning the flash portion of it, and what you said, before getting into actionscript, thanks for the guidance.

------

Business Website: http://www.infotechnologist.biz

Personal Website: http://www.joyelpuryear.com

Blog Site: http://www.realmofwriting.com
Services: Web development, application development, mobile development, and custom development. All services listed on my website.


#24 .josh

.josh
  • Staff Alumni
  • .josh
  • 14,871 posts

Posted 02 October 2006 - 06:18 PM

but i thought due to a recent revelation, you were going to leave the design part alone and concentrate on the coding? I still think you are spreading yourself too thin. People keep telling you it's better to be really good at one or two things than try to learn everything.  And I can tell you from firsthand experience the truthfulness of this.  But I can afford to do that cuz I'm not trying to make a career out of any of it. Can you say the same?
Did I help you? Feeling generous? Buy me lunch! 
Please, take the time and do some research and find out how much it would have cost you to get your help from a decent paid-for source. A "roll-of-the-dice" freelancer will charge you $5-$15/hr. A decent entry level freelancer will charge you around $15-30/hr. A professional will charge you anywhere from $50-$100/hr. An agency will charge anywhere from $100-$250/hr. Think about all this when soliciting for help here. Think about how much money you are making from the work you are asking for help on. No, we do not expect you to pay for the help given here, but donating a few bucks is a fraction of the cost of what you would have paid, shows your appreciation, helps motivate people to keep offering help without the pricetag, and helps make this a higher quality free-help community :)

#25 Ninjakreborn

Ninjakreborn
  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • Information Technology Specialist
  • 3,922 posts
  • Age:33

Posted 02 October 2006 - 06:30 PM

I might be making a career out of it yet, but as far as expanding.  I have a specific set of goals.  Those are the goals I am seeking.  As of right now, I have the things I know, and the things I am studying, the flash, actionscript, and whatever else I am not currently touching.  I am working on studying specific things at the moment, and in time, if I feel that my skills in those things grow enough, I slowly start taking on new ones, until I match what I originally wanted to know, and then at that point, i step back and see my options.

------

Business Website: http://www.infotechnologist.biz

Personal Website: http://www.joyelpuryear.com

Blog Site: http://www.realmofwriting.com
Services: Web development, application development, mobile development, and custom development. All services listed on my website.


#26 fert

fert
  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • Advanced Member
  • 1,114 posts

Posted 10 October 2006 - 01:58 AM

x-box360, gamecude, dreamcase
What languages are used to build all of those

to write games for the 360 you need C# and XNA, but you also need to pay $99 (a year) to have your games work for the 360

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Gentoo Linux 2007.0 Firefox 2

#27 hostfreak

hostfreak
  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • Advanced Member
  • 581 posts

Posted 12 October 2006 - 06:54 AM

See The thing with graphic design, and layout design, once I get more experience ,I will start getting better, I was wondering if flash is the same way, or is flash for like a master graphic designer or something.  I mean doing flash intro's I don't normally try them but I wsa going to eventually create a flash only site just for fun.


It depends on the complexity of the flash animation you want to accomplish. For me, transitioning from graphic/layout design to flash animation wasn't hard at all. You wont be doing "everything" in flash. Although you could, by why would you want to? You can start off with your program (say Photoshop), import your graphic to flash and add your flash animation etc.

edit- When I submitted my reply I didn't see that there was two pages. So if someone as already more less said what I just said, I apologize.

#28 jcombs_31

jcombs_31
  • Staff Alumni
  • Advanced Member
  • 2,066 posts
  • LocationFL

Posted 12 October 2006 - 01:25 PM

wow, honestly you seem completely lost in this field.  You don't seem to understand the basic concepts of languages, frameworks, or even certain applications.  Do you really not know what flash is or used for?  Flash for a master graphic designer?  You can place some simple boxes and circles and make them move if you really want to, but what would be the point?  Flash is for presentation, presentation should look nice, so I think some type of background in graphic design would be useful.  On the flip side, to take control of flash you need to understand actionscript, so a programming background may very well be useful as well.  You seem to ask LOTS of questions, but aren't really grasping anything. I've said numerous times that you need to just slow down and learn one thing at a time.  If you are going to be in web design, you need to first learn to properly set up a page in HTML and CSS.  If you understand the basic fundamentals of programming (like you say you do), then stick with one language to get by.  PHP is widely available on multiple platforms, it is a language specifically designed for the web, so why not just stick with mastering that. 

#29 Kris

Kris
  • Staff Alumni
  • Advanced Member
  • 2,755 posts
  • LocationThe Internet

Posted 12 October 2006 - 07:07 PM

And remember, learning is not just messing around with something for a few weeks. Proper learning takes years. Having two weeks worth of knowledge in a language is not going to get you anywhere.

#30 redbullmarky

redbullmarky
  • Staff Alumni
  • Advanced Member
  • 2,863 posts
  • LocationBedfordshire, England

Posted 12 October 2006 - 08:09 PM

and once you've learnt everything there is to know, boredom sets in - then you move to something else and realised that you probably wasted your time learning instead of doing something practical.

"those who can, can. those who can't, they teach"
"you have to keep pissing in the wind to learn how to keep your shoes dry..."

I say old chap, that is rather amusing!

#31 KevinM1

KevinM1
  • Moderators
  • Snarkimus Prime
  • 5,248 posts

Posted 12 October 2006 - 10:29 PM

I don't know if it's my place to say anything, but I'm bored, so why not? ;P

businessman, I have two very important words that I think you should heed: Chill.  Out.

You don't need to cram your head silly with everything under the sun all at once.  Hell, I'm in a similar boat as you, learning on my own at home.  I fell into the same trap you're in now...a lot of these technologies rely or use other technologies to work, so where should I go next?  What's XHTML without CSS?  PHP without MySQL?  Or AJAX without JSON?  And, like you, I tried cramming my head with everything all at once.  And, ultimately, I learned nothing.

You need to structure your learning.  What do you know?  What do you know well?  If you know something really well, then learn the technologies/languages associated with it.  If you're comfortable with MySQL, try PHP.  Good at JavaScript?  Try doing some object oriented stuff with it.

I think it's also important that you realize that memorization is not the same as learning.  Being able to recite all the built-in PHP functions in alphabetical order may be a neat trick, but what's really important is knowing what they do and when to use them.  I doubt anyone here has memorized every bit of PHP, but I don't doubt that, if they run into a problem, they can either lookup the proper function to use or create one themselves.

Finally, you've got to pace yourself.  Like others have said, doing nothing but studying and coding in the hopes of becoming Master of the Universe is self-defeating.  You've got to give your brain a chance to rest.  Something that helps me is playing video games on my PS2 (I like to stay away from the PC during my relaxing).  I find that I not only become reinvigorated while kicking the snot out of the AI in Tekken (gotta release that frustration), but my brain still works on whatever I'm learning in the background during play anyway.

In closing, just relax, man.  The world won't stop spinning if you don't become an ace programmer tomorrow.
Using 'global' is a sign of doing it wrong

#32 redbullmarky

redbullmarky
  • Staff Alumni
  • Advanced Member
  • 2,863 posts
  • LocationBedfordshire, England

Posted 12 October 2006 - 10:54 PM

it's an open forum, so course it's your place  ;)

i actually couldnt agree with you more or put it better myself. the words "chill out" seem to be cropping up very often, so maybe it should be noted....
"you have to keep pissing in the wind to learn how to keep your shoes dry..."

I say old chap, that is rather amusing!

#33 Ninjakreborn

Ninjakreborn
  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • Information Technology Specialist
  • 3,922 posts
  • Age:33

Posted 13 October 2006 - 12:14 PM

You must have everything wrong.

I am a web developer, you seem to want to stunt people who seek knowledge.
I don't care what anyone say's there is nothing wrong with continuing to learn, if you had not of heard me in my career, I made a lot of major career choices lately.

I stopped trying to do graphic/design, layout/design, content writing
I have a friend who has ton's of experience, we are helping each other in a partner sort of way.

As for the rest I am interested in other forms of web development, coding in css/xhtml
programming
general web design, coding, programming
I still do everything, I get the project, do all the planning, send the specs to him for a picture of a logo/layout
I code/program organize everything, adn I do the content, the send it to him to proofread.  Granted it might have been hard trying to master graphic design/photography and still keep my knowledge in other areas mastered.
I also know full well everything you said I didn' tknow, I sometimes get back into research, I study I ask questions to see what other people know, maybe there were things about something i didn't know.


------

Business Website: http://www.infotechnologist.biz

Personal Website: http://www.joyelpuryear.com

Blog Site: http://www.realmofwriting.com
Services: Web development, application development, mobile development, and custom development. All services listed on my website.


#34 jcombs_31

jcombs_31
  • Staff Alumni
  • Advanced Member
  • 2,066 posts
  • LocationFL

Posted 13 October 2006 - 12:20 PM

you really don't even make sense when you talk.  Right, we are all telling you to stop learning.  I see you also have great reading comprehension skills.

#35 KevinM1

KevinM1
  • Moderators
  • Snarkimus Prime
  • 5,248 posts

Posted 13 October 2006 - 12:51 PM

You must have everything wrong.

I am a web developer, you seem to want to stunt people who seek knowledge.
I don't care what anyone say's there is nothing wrong with continuing to learn, if you had not of heard me in my career, I made a lot of major career choices lately.

I stopped trying to do graphic/design, layout/design, content writing
I have a friend who has ton's of experience, we are helping each other in a partner sort of way.

As for the rest I am interested in other forms of web development, coding in css/xhtml
programming
general web design, coding, programming
I still do everything, I get the project, do all the planning, send the specs to him for a picture of a logo/layout
I code/program organize everything, adn I do the content, the send it to him to proofread.  Granted it might have been hard trying to master graphic design/photography and still keep my knowledge in other areas mastered.
I also know full well everything you said I didn' tknow, I sometimes get back into research, I study I ask questions to see what other people know, maybe there were things about something i didn't know.


Am I the only one thinking there's a language barrier problem here?

And, businessman, with all due respect, how can anyone here be categorized as wanting to stunt people who seek knowledge when they're volunteering their time to post on this board?  I've seen nothing but great patience with the other members here as they've given you a lot of advice over and over again.  That you very rarely follow through with their advice, resulting in frustrating the people who are trying to help you, is your problem, not theirs.

No one is saying that you shouldn't learn.  What they're (we're) saying is that you should pace yourself.  A professional knows their strengths and limitations, not just with their skillset, but with how they learn and how much they can learn in a given time.  I think it's pretty obvious that you're pushing yourself too hard.  Like I said before, you don't need to learn all of this stuff all at once.

Since you call yourself a businessman, acting like a professional is in your best interest.  Ironically, you've acted anything but professional to this point.  Yes, you've asked questions.  Many questions.  And others have given you advice as a response.  What do you do in return?  You ignore it.  They repeat their advice, and you still ignore it.  When they offer constructive, if occassionally blunt, criticism you either ignore it outright or make statements (like the ones that started your last message) saying that they are mean and don't like you or that they're stifling your growth.

And no, none of this has anything to do with your graphic design problems.  I know others have said that they're not particularly good at graphic design.  I'm not good at it either.  It's a moot point.  What this is about is your insistance in thinking that everyone here is either wrong or mean when they don't pat you on the back or when they get frustrated with you asking the same questions over and over again.

Being a businessman, a true businessman, does not mean acting like a petulant child.  Yes, criticism can hurt, especially when you know you put a 100% effort into something.  But this is the real world now.  It's either sink or swim.  If you cannot handle criticism, if you will not heed the advice of your contemporaries, then you're not a businessman.  You're a guy with a hobby who has a fragile ego.

Please take this advice in the spirit in which it is intended.  Like I said before, I'm in a similar situation as you, so I do want to see you succeed.
Using 'global' is a sign of doing it wrong

#36 Ninjakreborn

Ninjakreborn
  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • Information Technology Specialist
  • 3,922 posts
  • Age:33

Posted 13 October 2006 - 01:13 PM

Your right, maybe I should slow down, but you can't say I don't know anything.
XHTML, CSS(few problems with it), php, mysql, javascript
I have mastered all of these langauges, I don't know everything about them, of course I sometimes ask questions, but in general I can do a lot with them.

I have learnt quite a bit of perl, python, command line(linux), and countless other things (seo, submission, and various other things.

I expand my knowledge, because I can.

I hate to see when someone get's to a point they don't pursue any other languages, or trying to do anything for learning.

You say jack of all trades, master of none, that's far from true.
Trying to learn too much is hard, it takes me awhile but I decide on my limits, when the time comes, I now know enough about logo's, layout's, to be able to occassionally have fun building them, but instead of getting deeper, deeper into it right now, I turned it over to someone else, and have a good arrangement for that, so I can concentrate most of my effort on coding/programming, and other web related stuff.


I also read that last post, thanks.

I will try to slow down, as far as programming/coding, I am delving totally into it, because I am becoming obsesses.
I can't stop programming, I look at these languages, perl, python, and I start getting into it, and I feel so much power.

Programming is one of the greatest things I have ever done.

RIght now I do coding(css, xhtml), and programming.
I bear other aspects as well, like seo, optimization, I am not the best at them, but I know how to do them with some pretty good results.

I did C++ for 15 minutes, and I loved it.  It was the best, and funnest language I ever worked with, I don't have a lot of time for other languages now, I am doing 90% of my time in php/mysql.
I do know that once you know mysql, you can go to  any other database platform, on my own test host, I went and bought a nother host for testing purposes, I have tried my same website in

Oracle(It was included on my friends host), postgresql, OSDB, peardb, mssql, msaccess

I didn't get so heavy into these i memorizes all there specific functions, but I can say, if I was given any project, at all with any database system involved, I could either use it, or figure it out very quickly.

I wouldn't be an expert at them, I am not even an expert at mysql, but I am learning a lot more than I use to know.

Most things I wasn't wanting to master just feel comfortable doing the basics, like the graphic design stuff, I got comfortable then I stopped.

Actionscript, I have 2 people now who are masters at "flash" and they do some actionscript, I am a programming so actionscript will be easy to pick up, then when I combine my skills with those people, it will be amazing

I will slow down some, it's just I get frustrated now, after all this time, when I run into something I can't do.


------

Business Website: http://www.infotechnologist.biz

Personal Website: http://www.joyelpuryear.com

Blog Site: http://www.realmofwriting.com
Services: Web development, application development, mobile development, and custom development. All services listed on my website.


#37 ober

ober
  • Staff Alumni
  • Advanced Member
  • 5,337 posts
  • LocationEast Coast, USA

Posted 13 October 2006 - 01:20 PM

1) You're not even listening to what anyone is saying
2) You have not "mastered" any language.  I think Barand may be one of the best at PHP on this board and I still wouldn't say he's "mastered" the language.  I've been around the block with PHP and back.  I feel I know the language pretty good, but there's no way in hell I would EVER claim to have "mastered" a language.
3) You're all talk... and jumbled talk at that.  You say that you're soooo good at all this stuff, yet you ask more questions than ANYONE on these boards... by double.  Look at the freakin forum stats if you don't believe me.

I realize I should probably delete all that and walk away from this thread, but I'm tired of listening to all this BS.  All you do is talk about what you want to be and do.  I have yet to see any proof that you're getting there.

Info: PHP Manual


#38 Ninjakreborn

Ninjakreborn
  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • Information Technology Specialist
  • 3,922 posts
  • Age:33

Posted 13 October 2006 - 01:25 PM

Sorry you feel that way.
I don't claim to know all these langauges.

When I say mastered, I don't mean it in that context, I mean I can pick up any of those languages and do anything with them.
Whether I have to ask questions or not doesn't matter, I can still do the stuff, even with a little guidance.

With the exception of CSS, I am starting to understand just how weak I am at CSS, and I am trying to improve that, I have a lot of layouts to code over the next few weeks, so I can only get better with that.

------

Business Website: http://www.infotechnologist.biz

Personal Website: http://www.joyelpuryear.com

Blog Site: http://www.realmofwriting.com
Services: Web development, application development, mobile development, and custom development. All services listed on my website.


#39 effigy

effigy
  • Staff Alumni
  • Advanced Member
  • 3,600 posts
  • LocationIL

Posted 13 October 2006 - 01:53 PM

When I say mastered, I don't mean it in that context, I mean I can pick up any of those languages and do anything with them.


Programmers who have a knack for learning can do the same thing. I think one of the biggest factors of learning, not only in the computer world, but in life, is done by conceptual thinking. I've learned about the fundamental concepts--variables, arrays, hashes, pattern matching, etc.--and those always stay with me. It's a matter of learning how they are handled in another form. As said before, I'd be careful about using the word "mastered."
Regexp | Unicode Article | Letter Database
/\A(e)?((1)?ff(?:(?:ig)?y)?|f(?:ig)?)\z/

#40 ober

ober
  • Staff Alumni
  • Advanced Member
  • 5,337 posts
  • LocationEast Coast, USA

Posted 13 October 2006 - 01:54 PM

>>I don't claim to know all these langauges.

Oh but you do.

>>When I say mastered, I don't mean it in that context, I mean I can pick up any of those languages and do anything with them

Oh how you contradict yourself.

Info: PHP Manual





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users