jcombs_31 Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/archives/2007/01/microsoft_takes_email_design_b.htmlNot that I ever design newsletters, but this is pretty bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ober Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 That sucks, but raises another possible valid point. Why are people/companies sending large emails with what basically looks like a version of the website? I'd say a large portion of users still view their mail on less than superb email clients and if you want me to see a bunch of pretty crap and spend time reading through stuff, why not just give me a link to your site?I used to get pissed off when I was on dialup and I'd get an email that was either big by itself or took forever to download content from the website to fill in the email and make it "pretty".I just don't understand the need to do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbullmarky Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 looking through the MSDN site that article links to, the list of stuff omitted is quite tragic. You do have to wonder though why, considering their IE7 engine is tonnes better, they revert to the bucket of crap thats bundled with a pretty otherwise decent product.Did not of the MS developers kinda click when the question was asked: "hmm, shall we use our word processor's engine or our web browser's engine for rendering HTML emails?".daft buggers. if anything, i hope it makes people shift to alternatives like Thunderbird or just stick on old version of Outlook. It'll be there fault if they lose as many users as they have with their browser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 @ober: for the same reason websites have gone from little more than plain text, to being made up of all kinds of fancy things: more and more people are going from dialup to broadband, and processors are getting faster and memory is getting larger, so these things can be delivered in about the same time. Thinking your email should be plain old text is old school. I guess I'm old school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 p.s.- asking why it's "necessary" is like asking why you need to buy the latest flashy car, when a beat up 20 year old car will get you from point a to point b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcombs_31 Posted January 12, 2007 Author Share Posted January 12, 2007 Yea, I always generate plain text emails, but I usually just send some registration info or something like that. In a more complex high traffice site that delivers newsletters, and nice layout makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ober Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 CV, I think you missed my point completely. I'm not saying the web shouldn't have evolved or we shouldn't be making things pretty. I'm saying we should use the medium for what it is designed for. Email is for quick messages. The web is for indepth articles. I think confusing the two is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 okay since you put it that way, I'll agree with that.But, what about newsletters (as jcombs pointed out)? Those aren't exactly quick emails. Or are you suggesting that newsletters should be quick emails with a link to a newsletter page on the site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelmanronald06 Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Normal email should just be that...normal emails. Newsletters to the consumer should have a bit of color, but otherwise normal and plain. I mean a single logo, a nice sandy tint to the background, and a nice script is good, but a full on header, and placed graphics....even so, I still think Microshaft has made a mistake here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 well the only newsletter I'm subscribed to (that I actually look at) is my World of Warcraft Insider (Blizzard's newsletter) and let me tell you, it's pretty much a full-on webpage delivered to my in-box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 Personally, I think that the original function of emails as described by Ober is being (has been) replaced by Instant Messaging. Instant messengers these days will even allow you to IM someone who is offline and it will automatically display it to the person when they come back online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ober Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 I have to disagree. Email is still used for the most part for things that letters used to be used for. Until my recent job, I hadn't used an IM client for about 3 years (since I left college). Email is still important for getting messages around. If you disagree, I'll start forwarding you the 40-50 internal emails I get during an average day... and we're all pretty connected with IM clients as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 I do agree that some websites go a little too far with their newsletters... but MS is going a little too far with this. Getting rid of background images is perfectly okay with me. Color support.... I would prefer to keep that, I mean, it's not going to make the email load THAT much slower. I also think you should be able to do CSS, to keep things organized.Oh well. Nothing we can do about. =( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neylitalo Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 [quote author=KingPhilip link=topic=122148.msg503805#msg503805 date=1168662852]Oh well. Nothing we can do about. =([/quote]Ah, but there is. :)[url=http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/]Mozilla Thunderbird[/url][url=http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/]Sylpheed[/url][url=http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/]The Bat![/url]The best way to get something like this changed is to use something else. Send a message - help tell Microsoft that we're disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 Well, I means as webmasters ;)You know there will be many many people that use Outlook still. I mean, look how many still cling to IE (not that it is a bad thing.) People just don't like change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 They'll eventually die though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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