.josh

how about we convert it to word representation? 8388607 posts = eight million three hundred eighty eight thousand six hundred seven.

An alternative way would be like var someObject = { myFunc : { myOtherFunc : function() { console.log('call from myOtherFunc'); } } }; Then you can do like someObject.myFunc.myOtherFunc() But as kicken mentioned, it kinda depends on what you are going for, how the rest of your stuff is structured.

Esteemed Barand left for a season; as to why, he gave us no reason. But now he is back, to pick up the slack, and make up for his unexplained treason He starts off with act of good will, with offers of premium swill. We toast and we cheer, as we kick back some beer, and engage in much epic trill It is now the wee hours of morn much drinking and possible porn there's midgets passed out no stout found throughout and hangovers sure to be born Celebration has passed with success For details recalled, I digress But it's now back to work albeit with a smirk lookin' forward to the next recess

I'm guessing it should really read 1 member, 1 bot, 2 guests, 0 anon So it's counting google as a "user" but it's a known bot, not a member.

https://www.google.com/intl/en/contact/

sounds like you need to contact google.

Nah, the s modifier will allow the dot (as a metachar, not as a literal char inside the char class he has) to also match newline chars, but he is not using a dot in his pattern, he is using a character class, so the s modifier won't actually work. Assuming my shot in the dark is right, he needs to throw newline chars into the mix, and since he'd specifically be matching for them (either putting them in a char class or listing them as an alternation to the char class), s modifier wouldn't be applicable.

my random shot in the dark is maybe you are trying to enter text on multiple lines (IOW pressing enter in the msg at some point in time) so it's failing because of \n or \r\n chars

But you know how it goes in the "real" world Phil; very little doing things the "right" way, a whole lot of jumping through hoops and following orders. This applies to all jobs and systems, not just coding.

what's worse than a shitty class and shitty teacher is the real coder taking the class and giving the teacher a hard time for failing. Don't be that guy. If the class doesn't offer you anything, pick another class. Or if it's a hoop you have to jump through, consider it an easy hoop and concentrate on something else. Don't be that guy.

I don't think I could spend all day standing at a computer working. I can be on my feet all day at a job if it involves moving around a lot, but not just standing there.

Did it hurt, or were you extra careful not to get splashed by any holy water? THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!

re: "unread replies quick link" As others have mentioned, there is a way to see this by going to the "view new content" link at the top-right of the page, and then selecting appropriate filters. But this is not as convenient as having a direct link in the header, and a lot of staff (myself included!) do indeed want a link like that, so we will eventually have it. But as an FYI it is a lower priority item since the functionality is there, just not as convenient, vs. other higher priority items.

Well I noticed the smf>ipb conversion rendered /me to be a bbcode tag like [me=.josh]foobar[/me] even though ipb doesn't actually have that tag...so I made one in the hopes it would at least render it in the pre-existing posts, but apparently it doesn't retroactively apply...so that tag should work* for new posts, but won't show up in previous posts... *work : well for instance you can do [me]ponders the meaning of life[/me] and it will render as * ponders the meaning of life or [me=.josh]never leaves home without a towel[/me] and it will render as *.josh never leaves home without a towel but I can't make it dynamically just pop w/ username or even do /me again w/out doing something more than what the interface offers, like make an addon or editing ipb files so for now this is what we have.

You make this out to be a much bigger problem than it really is. Click Tools, Options, Advanced, Updates, tick "Check for updates but let me install them". Viola, you will never have that problem again. Yes, this is how I have it set right now. And the point is that I can do this. My objection is that some people here are advocating a forced update, not even giving me the choice! And I agree with this 300%!!! This is exactly what I have been screaming this whole time. Again, my objection is that some people here are advocating a forced update, not even giving me the choice!

Don't think I've ever heard a better reason to switch to Chrome. And this is a major reason why phil has so far been successful at seducing me to switch to Chrome but there are some addons in FF that I use that make it mighty convenient to do my job (namely Omnibug which basically is what you'd find in a Net tab but it looks for specific requests and formats url params nicer, even converting them to original tracking code js variable names. Necessary to do my job? No. Mighty convenient? Yes), that Chrome doesn't offer out-of-the-box. And neither does FF, but there isn't a Chrome equivalent addon (that I'm aware of) and even if there were, it'd be the same song and dance with chrome updates. The overall point is, frequent automatic updates will be at odds with addons/extensions, that is a downside to the convenience.

Which is exactly why IE needs a better update model. Okay, it "notifies" the user that there is an update. Clearly, though, that is not good enough. Sure, you don't like the idea of forcing a user to upgrade. But, is there some benefit that I'm failing to see to using an outdated browser that can't render websites properly? Otherwise, why else would people keep doing it? I have explained why I don't like being forced to update my software in several posts. For browsers specifically, you know that in reality, updates aren't just about improving code performance, compatibility or security. Updates can also be UI changes, changes in privacy policy, data collection, etc.. Also, I have said that overall I personally do like having automatic updates, but here is one thing I do not like about them: For my job, I depend on certain addons. For instance in FireFox, I depend on the web developer addon, firebug, omnibug (an extension to firebug) and a few others. Now, whenever FireFox releases an update, those addons may possibly still be compatible, or they may cease to function until they in turn update. For the most part, most of the addons I use have not been a problem. They are popular and active enough that even if they need to update, they are usually pretty quick to do so. But sometimes...every once in a while I will open an email from a client and they will have a question about tracking on a page and I will open up my browser to check it out and blam...FireFox is installing an update and blam, firebug doesn't work. Or some other addon I need. So I have to wait a couple hours or days for the addons to catch up. Or use alternative/equivalent means to QA something. This is inconvenient for me, and slows down my response time at work. Do I have this problem with IE development cycle? No! Because they don't constantly update their shit and possibly break other people's shit because of it. And if this was really true, ten they will fail in the browser market and never be heard of again. Let time decide. But it's not your right to make that call. Caring about your customers means giving them every opportunity to upgrade. Informing them of the benefits. Give some kind of incentive. But the moment you decide to make their decision for them, that is not caring for them, that is writing them off as invalids who don't know any better, just like you said. You are no longer treating and respecting them as humans who have the right to stand or fall on their own two legs. You are treating them as invalids, cripples, sub-humans, not equal to you. You are putting them on a lower level as you, treating them as pets, no matter how kindly you do it. How can you say that is caring for them?

It doesn't matter if a product is on version 9000, if most people are currently using version 1.0, you cater to 1.0 or you don't have customers or a business. In no way do I say this situation doesn't suck from a developer PoV. Of course it sucks, I completely agree. But that's not the point, and you fail to understand the point; I really don't understand how you can possibly fail to understand this. Sorry Mahngiel, but I think I"m done with you, as I feel I'm talking to a brick wall. Peace.

I am a creator of the web. Users come to MY sites to view MY product how I designed it. Use a fucking browser that works. And this right here demonstrates your failure to understand business 101. If 50% of your customers don't like mustard as the default ingredient on your burger, you don't tell them to suck it up, you take the fucking mustard off as the default condiment. Or you watch your customers and your paycheck walk out the door as they go to other places who cater to them. You serve the customer, not the other way around. Development / design are not hotdogs - there is no recipe. You have completely missed the point of the analogy, good for you. Wrong. A customer very much knows exactly what they want to buy when they go to your site, and they know that having to jump through 100 hoops to buy it sucks balls. Your site doesn't like IE and that's the browser they use? You are an idiot if you think that visitor is going to go download another browser to buy what they want from you. They will go somewhere else that does, simple as that, the end. And how many of those people you are basically calling idiots...how many of them do you think are going to tell all their friends "I went to xyz.com and it didn't work with IE so I left," vs. "The site was broken, so I left" ? You are an idiot if you think it's option #1. And it doesn't matter if they are wrong. THEY are the ones with the money that you just kicked out the door. "The customer is always right." This is a saying that has become a bane for many people, especially in the McJob industry, but not because it's not true - it very much is - but because some companies take it to extremes. Hint: catering to a browser that holds a significant % of the market is not taking it to extremes. Forbes And you have completely missed the point and context of that statement because you don't understand business.

I am a creator of the web. Users come to MY sites to view MY product how I designed it. Use a fucking browser that works. And this right here demonstrates your failure to understand business 101. If 50% of your customers don't like mustard as the default ingredient on your burger, you don't tell them to suck it up, you take the fucking mustard off as the default condiment. Or you watch your customers and your paycheck walk out the door as they go to other places who cater to them. You serve the customer, not the other way around. Um... wouldn't this hold true to web browsers too, and not just web developers? In theory, yes. But in reality, things aren't as balanced. Browser: You basically have a handful of browsers to choose from (that the masses have heard of and care about): IE, FireFox, Chrome, Safari, Opera. Those are the 5 major ones (though honestly, the last 2 in most people's opinions don't have enough % for people to try and specifically give a damn about, unless they are filling a certain niche audience). Since there are so few choices, people like Microsoft can more afford to have the "my way or the highway" attitude. If enough people complain and move from IE to FF or Chrome or some other browser because IE doesn't follow the same update model as everybody else, then IE will either have to change their model to follow suit, or else watch their users walk out the door. But in reality, we see a whole lot of people NOT leaving IE for <insert reason here>. Is it because people are too lazy to change? Is it because MS owns their soul? The reason is irrelevant in this discussion. The point is, IE does have a significant share of the population, enough that they aren't particularly inclined to change their model. Website: For example, if you want to go online to purchase something, there are literally hundreds and thousands of different sites you can go to, to buy pretty much anything. Dime a dozen. So a website is under a LOT more pressure to cater to certain things. A good business will say "Yeah, I have to do a little extra work that makes my site work properly across all browsers, and yeah, things would be easier if IE did things differently, but if I do not make it work for IE, most people will not buy from me, so I'd better do it." Here's the thing I don't understand...people have been arguing that IE hasn't been "conforming to standards" even when they owned like 90% of the market. This is common fucking sense...if you own 90% of the market, YOU are the fucking standard, and it is EVERYBODY ELSE that is not conforming. And over the years we have seen IE's market share go down. Now we can go back and forth all day long about the "whys" behind that (hint: the decline has almost nothing to do with how much harder it allegedly is for web devs to work with; web devs really need to get over themselves), but the overall point is that less market share == less power to say "my way or the highway". P.s.- "my way or the highway" isn't necessarily a bad mentality. If what you are doing is dominating the market, you are probably something right. Or you could be doing something shady like putting in the fine print that you now own their soul. Point is, you are dominating the market BY doing things your way, so it makes sense the more you dominate the market, the more you are inclined to do things your way. Anyways, the point is, in theory, principles apply to both browser and website. In practice, other things affect how well this theory actually plays out. Just because something looks good, sounds reasonable, logical, ideal, etc.. on paper, doesn't mean that's how it will work or play out in reality. This is a huge gap a lot of web devs fail to overcome when it comes to understanding the business world. The overall point is, it doesn't matter how stupid or illogical something is, you give the people what they want. And if you own 90% of the market, you ARE giving the people what they want, by virtue of having 90% of the market. And again, IE's slow but steadily decline is proving they are less and less giving the people what they want, but they still have a significant enough share that they aren't exactly pushed up against the wall. You also have to consider that IE is one product of MS, a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things to them. This puts them in a way better position to not give as much a shit about changing things than the other browsers who's entire company revolves around their browser. Does that mean they are doing nothing to stay in the game? Of course not...despite IE being just one thing to MS, they still give a shit, otherwise they wouldn't be making efforts to get with the program. Look, I personally like automatic updates, and I usually have them on by default. The key thing I argue for having here is provide ability to turn this off. I do NOT want to be forced into it. Others feel that it should be forced, as if someone else should determine what's best for them. To that I must question how many times they have been forced to do something they didn't want to do.

Examples of how this is true? I personally will agree with this statement. However, in general, the average user is not inclined to have the latest and greatest. Proof? Well we're having this conversation about a significant portion of the internet not upgrading to the latest and greatest, now aren't we? You are making a false... conclusion? inference? correlation? I agree with this statement. I agree that it makes my job as a developer harder. I even said that in an earlier post. But this isn't about the user, or even browsers catering to websites. This is about giving the customer what they want; refer to my hamburger analogy in my previous post. Okay, that is fine, peace.

This is where you've had too much of the MS PR Kool-aid. Like I said, I'm not an IE (or MS) fanboy, and in fact, I use FF and Chrome. Frankly I find it annoying that I'm constantly being forced to defend MS because people happily go along with the mob mentality instead of actually look at the facts. Browsers don't make the internet shitty, shitty web servers and poorly designed sites made by amateurs and lazy fucks who can't be bothered to cater to their customers make the web shitty. Your thought process is basically make the browsers cater to websites instead of make websites cater to browsers. Well guess what, that will NEVER happen because there's a handful of browsers vs. a metric fuckton of arbitrarily coded websites. Right, because FF, Chrome, Safari, etc.. have never had security holes, and have never had to release patches. "Gaping." Can you name even ONE "gaping" security hole they've had, without looking it up and c/ping it here and very likely not understanding what the issue actually is or even how to actually exploit it? Or are you just able to regurgitate some key phrases from some random blog/article you read? Can you even point to said blog/article w/out googling? Perhaps you are some uber security expert and will make me eat my words, but I'm willing to place bets that you aren't. In fact, I'm willing to bet that not only have you not actually read up on any of these "gaping security holes," this is just something you've heard standing around the proverbial water cooler (random shit you've read secondhand on some random forum). But maybe, just maybe you will make me eat my words. No cheating. So you don't like this mode...why? Near as I can tell, this mode is FOR developers to make it easier to develop their sites for earlier IE versions, because of people not upgrading. Well whatever respect I had for you just went out the window from this statement right here. Web 2.0, really? Still holding onto that buzzword, eh? And you say I'm the one drinking too much PR koolaid... I am a creator of the web. Users come to MY sites to view MY product how I designed it. Use a fucking browser that works. And this right here demonstrates your failure to understand business 101. If 50% of your customers don't like mustard as the default ingredient on your burger, you don't tell them to suck it up, you take the fucking mustard off as the default condiment. Or you watch your customers and your paycheck walk out the door as they go to other places who cater to them. You serve the customer, not the other way around.

It just boggles my mind how some of you really think it's a good idea to force updates. You guys just can't see past your own editor and how much harder it is for you to do your job, can't see the bigger picture. I understand that the internet is big and bad and scary, especially to dear, sweet grandma who doesn't know any better. But perhaps instead of blaming Microsoft for her ignorance, you could perhaps take some time out of your busy schedule and be a dear, sweet grandchild and walk her through it? Just a suggestion... But even for those other old and otherwise clueless people who aren't fortunate enough to have model relatives such as yourself...I mean seriously...who the fuck are you to decide what's best for someone else? Especially in regards to something that is not some life threatening/sustaining thing? Why stop there? Why not have computer manufacturers force people to not use internet explorer? Hardcode that shit directly into the circuits! Make the computer physically turn off if someone even tries to download or open IE! Or how about let's just pass some laws to make IE illegal! You know what's best for them, afterall. It should be the user's choice whether to upgrade or not. It doesn't matter how big and bad and scary it is out there. You don't get to tell me what's best for me or my grandma, nor do you get to determine whether or not I'm a "power user" who can competently make that decision. And wtf is that anyways, how can you logically say that people should be forced to upgrade, AND say that there are some people competent enough to be an exception? Those 2 things are mutually exclusive. Telling me you know what's best for me and forcing me to do something is Gestapo bullshit. *.josh falls of soapbox

It is indeed MS's fault. Why would you NOT have silent updates? Corporate IT departments have their systems on lock-down, which doesn't even allow users to upgrade to newer versions of IE! At least if MS had silent updates they could be batched in. Okay but now you are confusing personal user choice with corporate policy, which are two completely different beasts. And still somehow making out like that's Microsoft's fault. Why would you NOT have silent updates? Because maybe sometimes updates involve changes to things that end users might not agree with? What if one of these "updates" involve sending data to them that you don't want to be sent? What if these "updates" involve having to suddenly start paying for it? What if the "update" sported a new interface that you really fucking hated, or made a lot of your favorite addons no longer compatible? The list goes on and on. Why am I even arguing this.. I, as the user, should have the choice on whether or not to upgrade, how is this not common sense? Good for them, and I'm not saying I'm against this. But I'm willing to stake my left nutsack on the fact that people will stop upgrading to the latest version of jQuery, so as to keep support for older browsers, since at the end of the day, it's about the user, not the developer. The mere option would be beneficial. Please clarify, because I don't understand...do you mean to say that users currently don't have the option to upgrade? Because that is just false. The general windows updates try to prompt you to upgrade. Opening an older IE browser attempts to get you to upgrade. You can just go to microsoft.com and download it. New computers come with the latest version, etc... it is not as if Microsoft is doing nothing to try and get people to upgrade; they are doing lots of stuff, just short of forcing them to, and that's fine, because again, I, as a user, do NOT want to be forced to upgrade my shit. It's my computer, my decision, my downfall if evil bad things come of it. Or are you still going on about employees not being able to upgrade because of IT freezes? Again, you are mistaken; company red-tape is not Microsoft's fault.

I'm sorry, maybe I'm just the minority here, but I personally do NOT like companies FORCING me to upgrade to newer versions of their product! Even FF and Chrome do not FORCE you to do this, they simply have it as a default to auto-update seemlessly, and it's mostly because they have shorter development cycles, right? I'm sorry, but you can't really blame Microsoft for not FORCING people to update, and I personally would avoid a company that FORCES me to do it. This is me speaking as a USER. Yes, this makes my job as a developer harder, but should a company cater to developers, or to users? Think about it.