gevans Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Hey guys, I guess this is a suggestion as I didn't really know where else to put it. Though about FAQ and Code Repository but I'm not allwoed Anyway... I'm sure most of the developers here end up in as much pain as me when it comes to testing in IE5.5, IE6, IE7 and the new IE8 (beta 2) (well, maybe not IE5.5). Before you even start testing you need a way of running all these, I've tried many different approaches including a second OP on VMWare and MultipleIE. This was all fine untill IE8 which has now caused newer problems for me... it makes my IE6 think that it's 8. Anyone that's used the following bit of code; <!--[if IE 6]> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css/IE/IE6.css" /> <![endif]--> will be able to appreciate the senselessness of running IE6 if it thinks its 8, all the css hacks get ignored. OK, rant over.... I've just found a probgram/browser called IETester that works imaculately, my suggestion is to use your news/blog or one of your other medias to follow cross-browser support. Feedback much appreciated Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerRobot Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I've a feeling i used that in the past and it had some problems with it not actually behaving as IE did. I can't remember if it was to do with some ajax or stylesheets though. So yeah, that was a little vague Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-750810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg_alpha Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 gevans, have you tried downloading IE RC1? Not sure if this will help out or not.. worth a shot perhaps.. As for me, I chose not support IE 6 or under anymore.. (yeah, I know.. I've already been through the ringer about it...) and for IE 7,8 and others like FF3, Opera 9, Chrome 1, etc... I use the same CSS files for all of those. Life is sooo much easier without outdated IE. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-750849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevans Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 Unfortunately because of my clients I have to support IE6 (seeing as they still have a 20%ish market share). Apart from that point I use a signle stylesheet for FF2, FF3, Safari, Chrome, Opera 9 and other gecko browsers as you mentioned, and the changes for IE6 and IE7 (IE8 seems ok so far, fingers crossed) Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-750931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 That's handy, thanks! Typically I can get all versions of IE to look the same (except for png transparencies) - but this is a great tool Probably best in misc. talk though - IMO. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-751139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevans Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 In case you're interested I use iepngfix.htc for my transparent png fixes in IE6. It works via your style sheet so covers every sort of png you can imagine, scrollovers, backgrounds, it can just be applied to the tag!! Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-751245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
premiso Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Stop this IE BS, switch to Firefox now! Especially IE6, only people who use that are the government, cause they are always 5 years behind everyone else! IE6 is dead, get used to it! Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-752536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardRotterdam Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 hey!!! me mum uses ie6 and she doesn't work for the government we wouldn't want her to miss all these smashing png graphics. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-752541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevans Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 hey!!! me mum uses ie6 and she doesn't work for the government we wouldn't want her to miss all these smashing png graphics. hahahaha Stop this IE BS, switch to Firefox now! Especially IE6, only people who use that are the government, cause they are always 5 years behind everyone else! IE6 is dead, get used to it! Unfortunately people pay me to make websites and I have to make sure their sites work on the most popular browsers, unfortunately the most popular browser sucks and is a living hell, personally FF3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-752847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
premiso Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 hey!!! me mum uses ie6 and she doesn't work for the government we wouldn't want her to miss all these smashing png graphics. hahahaha Stop this IE BS, switch to Firefox now! Especially IE6, only people who use that are the government, cause they are always 5 years behind everyone else! IE6 is dead, get used to it! Unfortunately people pay me to make websites and I have to make sure their sites work on the most popular browsers, unfortunately the most popular browser sucks and is a living hell, personally FF3 Anytime someone questions me on IE6, I say tell your users we do not support or you can find someone else to do that. It is such a pain in the but it is not worth the time to try and fix it, cause 1 fix for one browser breaks another etc. And since IE6 is going to be outdated by IE7 and IE8, it is not worth it to code for it. Especially since IE8 is suppose to comply with standards...we will see how that goes. But that is just me. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-752879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Well, I'll look at it this way: On my site, out of the 1.3mil hits in the past month from IE users alone, 37% are still IE 6.0 I'd say that's still a big market. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-752887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
premiso Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Well, I'll look at it this way: On my site, out of the 1.3mil hits in the past month from IE users alone, 37% are still IE 6.0 I'd say that's still a big market. Yea, probably. I display a warning on my sites to IE6 users to update their outdated software and to alert them about FireFox. The funny thing is, people still use the old versions, which really Microsoft probably will not care about IE6 once IE8 is out, and wonder why they get spyware and virus's. As for me, it is not worth my time as a programmer to debug CSS issues, I actually charge double the amount to debug css issues resulting in an outdated browser to be "hacked" to work. If they are willing to pay me double per hour, great. I am all for fixing it. But I am a stubborn guy and they would rather higher someone at $15/hour to solve that headache for them. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-752964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbin Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 67.4% IE users on one of my sites, and 15.1% IE 6 users.... Hrmmm I wouldn't have expected that site to have 15% IE 6 users. Weird. "Yea, probably. I display a warning on my sites to IE6 users to update their outdated software and to alert them about FireFox." Do you do that on client's sites? I can't imagine that going over well with a client x.x. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-752973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 On PHP Freaks, 7.69% of the visits where using IE6. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-752981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevans Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 On PHP Freaks, 7.69% of the visits where using IE6. That's so low because we're all developers... lol I would've guessed it to be less Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-752984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 It used to be higher. Like 12%. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-752988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg_alpha Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 ...The funny thing is, people still use the old versions, which really Microsoft probably will not care about IE6 once IE8 is out, and wonder why they get spyware and virus's.... As it is, MS is trying to deter people from using version 6.. By example, on a fresh XP machine, if you go and try to download IE 6, it won't let you (or at least, it didn't let me.. pointed me to IE 7 instead). If you install IE 8 RC1, it's irreversible. So MS is trying to keep the IE line moving forward (and with good reason). On that last note (which admittedly is off topic), I recently made the mistake of installing RC1... then noticed that they (MS) tweaked the 'Compatible View' mode (which I thought was the actual IE 7 rendering engine, but turns out from what I have seen / read, its a close approximation, and appears to be a moving target.. so I could not revert back to the IE 7 application browser.. All I can say to Microsoft is, thank god for Norton Ghost! So here I am, back with a clean slate..(and will not install IE 8 for quite a while). Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-752989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbin Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I wonder why MS doesn't just put IE in Windows Update.... Or is it in there? Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-753041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
premiso Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 "Yea, probably. I display a warning on my sites to IE6 users to update their outdated software and to alert them about FireFox." Do you do that on client's sites? I can't imagine that going over well with a client x.x. "my sites" The client has to either pay out or higher someone cheaper for me to do that. @corbin ms updates, it is there. People just do not install it or have a pirated version of windows and cannot install it. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-753049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbin Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Ahhhhhh Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/143158-a-suggestion/#findComment-753058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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