Guest askjames01 Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 This is one example that i created in Frontpage: take a look guys.. : ) Website sample made from Frontpage not bad huh? as you notice when you look at the html codes there is no frontpage signature... well, i just used my tricks to out smart frontpage... it's really simple to trick frontpage, i think you know it too but you are maybe just lazy and busy to do the tricks... i always remove the signatuer of frontpage to let some Internet browser to display it properly just like Netscape Navigator. i almost forgot to mention i use only the old version Frontpage 2000. but of course right now i'm using Dreamweaver.... Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-8382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
neylitalo Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 as you notice when you look at the html codes there is no frontpage signature... hmm... I guess I'm just out of the loop then. How about the use of 20 identical <p> tags? What happened to the use of CSS? And in the cases where CSS is used, it's a class='MsoNormal'. What could Mso stand for? MS Office, possibly? Since when do you use a class and a style attribute in the same element? When has the use of "line-height: 100%;" started? Isn't it a bit useless? What is the tag <o:p>? And who's heard of the font "Aurora BdCn BT" or "Americana XBdCn BT"? What version of CSS has the attribute mso-spacerun or mso-bidi-font-style? Sorry, james, There is no way you're going to get rid of the "FrontPage signature". And if you do, you've rewritten the site completely. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-8387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest askjames01 Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 that is not what i'm trying to explain... let me start over again... the signature here that i'm trying to say is that the one when you finish creating a webpage from frontpage some internet browser like netscape will scramble the alignment and the output display is annoying, that's what i'm talking here not that all mso, it's not necessary to remove the mso thing. Try to make some web page from Frontpage then execute it in netscape you'll see what i mean here, but i solved that problem i've just tricked Frontpage, huh, huh, huh... : ) Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-8388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zq29 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 that is not what i'm trying to explain... let me start over again... the signature here that i'm trying to say is that the one when you finish creating a webpage from frontpage some internet browser like netscape will scramble the alignment and the output display is annoying, that's what i'm talking here not that all mso, it's not necessary to remove the mso thing. Try to make some web page from Frontpage then execute it in netscape you'll see what i mean here, but i solved that problem i've just tricked Frontpage, huh, huh, huh... : ) 296788[/snapback] You haven't really tricked Frontpage at all, neylitalo pointed out a lot of Frontpage 'signatures', and if you are going to all of this 'effort' to 'trick' Frontpage, why not just use something that doesn't add all this crap in the first place? I also don't find your reasoning behind using 5 different editors valid in any way - I use PHP Coder 2005, and only that - Its free and does everything in one package. I use frontpage because it's easy to use... it's not that annoying really, if you know the tricks huh, huh, huh : ), but the problem it's not WYSIWYG I'm not sure which version of Frontpage 2000 you are using, but as far as I was aware, it is a WYSIWYG editor. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-8404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest askjames01 Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 ok, SA maybe you are all right. so, can you tell me where should i download that (PHP Coder 2005) so i can stop torturing myself. my dream is ---> Dreamweaver, but maybe i should try your suggestion first. so what is the right link for that? Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-8421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
neylitalo Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 SA, are you sure you're not thinking about PHP Designer 2005? James: PHP Designer 2005 is currently my IDE of choice, as well. Click here for a free download. And unless you can really afford Dreamweaver, I don't suggest you buy it. It doesn't really have anything that makes it stand out from any of the others. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-8422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zq29 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 SA, are you sure you're not thinking about PHP Designer 2005? James: PHP Designer 2005 is currently my IDE of choice, as well. Click here for a free download. And unless you can really afford Dreamweaver, I don't suggest you buy it. It doesn't really have anything that makes it stand out from any of the others. 297180[/snapback] Sorry, yes, PHP Designer 2005. Its a bit slow when opening up scripts initially, but its free and does almost everything Dreamweaver does - I can live with that. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-8424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gast Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 No, never have done. Never will do. Ever. I would rather die. No offence, neewah but that is why your site looks like it does. Dreamweaver does everything you need to. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-9157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neewah Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you. I used Dreamweaver for a day and then ditched it. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-9182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsidian Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you. I used Dreamweaver for a day and then ditched it. 311724[/snapback] maybe that's simply because of the learning curve. gast is right: dreamweaver does more than enough for any basic site layout (an much better than M$ Frontpage, too). again, i don't recommend using it's generated code much, either, but for basic layout, at least it keeps the markup clean... no FP "signature tags" or anything like was mentioned above in the thread. if you ditched dreamweaver for a day, it was most likely due to your understanding of the software, NOT due to lack of what the software could do. just because a piece of software is easier to generate code with than another, does NOT make it better. dreamweaver allows much more flexibility in your design as well. oh, yes, and there is a reason FP sells for only $169.99 when Dreamweaver 8 sells for $379.99 as with most computer related products: you get what you pay for. and, the beautiful thing is, software like PHP Designer 2005 that patterns itself after dreamweaver or homesite style is free... i don't see any popular FP clones out there Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-9183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gast Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 i don't see any popular FP clones out there 311736[/snapback] Probably because FP isnt that popular itself. About the DW generated code: you can always tell when a site is built in dreamweaver because in the source you see the Javascript function names of "MM_jumpMenu", etc. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-9184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsidian Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 About the DW generated code: you can always tell when a site is built in dreamweaver because in the source you see the Javascript function names of "MM_jumpMenu", etc. 311764[/snapback] hence, the reason i never use generated JS... i code everything by hand anyway... that's what DW specializes in... it sort of merges the idea of a WYSIWYG editor with the great development tools of HomeSite. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-9185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neewah Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I suppose if you're good enough at coding without WYSIWYG, anything is possible However, because I'm lazy I find it good to lean back on an easy design method, and it just happens that because I've been using MS programs for years, I find Frontpage easy and quick to use. If I had more time to learn, I might try out DreamWeaver more and PHP Design Programs Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-9186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gast Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 If I had more time to learn, I might try out DreamWeaver more and PHP Design Programs 311767[/snapback] I recommend you do. It can make your life a lot easier, espeically when coding in PHP. Because of colour-coded syntax's it makes it a lot easier to find errors and writing code. *snip* by ober - I'm probably over my bounds here, but we shouldn't be encouraging that... mainly for legal reasons. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-9187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispytown Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I really like pspad app. it is solid and does everything that I like and need to do. it isn't a WYSIWYG editor.... but call me old fashion. I love my text editors to program with. Plus with pspad you can do more then just web stuff. It can do VB, C++, Cobal, VB, VBscript, Java, INI files, and tons more. About 29 different ones. and the ability to add more custom ones. With 8 different types of DBs. Free of course. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-9195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
titangf Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 I only have one thing to say about micro$oft frontpage... If Micro$oft doesn't use their own product to make their site... WHY SHOULD YOU? (cause they don't, lol) Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-26002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neewah Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Heh wonderful i went on their site and the first thing i saw after i clicked security updates was "MS06-017 - addresses a vulnerability in Microsoft Front Page Server Extensions" (they can't even spell it right lol) Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-26122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildteen88 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 [!--quoteo(post=363934:date=Apr 12 2006, 09:56 AM:name=neewah)--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(neewah @ Apr 12 2006, 09:56 AM) 363934[/snapback][/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--quotec--] Heh wonderful i went on their site and the first thing i saw after i clicked security updates was "MS06-017 - addresses a vulnerability in Microsoft Front Page Server Extensions" (they can't even spell it right lol) Cant spell what right? Everything spelt correctly to me. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-26150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbullmarky Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 dreamweaver is the 'jacuzzi' of web design. not entirely necessary to get by, but ultimately luxurious and makes life that little bit easier and sweeter. micro$oft frontpage is the toilet that's just been used by the county curry club, complete with ringlets of runny bowel movements smeared up the back, front and sides, that has had no effort to be cleaned up whatsoever. i could go on, but i'm sure i've made my point clear. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-26998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neewah Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Sorry i'm being picky - FrontPage is one word Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-27229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbullmarky Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 [!--quoteo(post=365057:date=Apr 15 2006, 01:39 PM:name=neewah)--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(neewah @ Apr 15 2006, 01:39 PM) 365057[/snapback][/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--quotec--] Sorry i'm being picky - FrontPage is one word and you're definitely not the first to say that FrontPage doesn't deserve the space... Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-27278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
legohead6 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 [!--quoteo(post=167777:date=Oct 21 2004, 08:40 AM:name=Cook)--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Cook @ Oct 21 2004, 08:40 AM) 167777[/snapback][/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--quotec--] I must confess, I bought it, FP2003. I should have broken my leg that day instead. I now code everything by hand, I mean everything, PHP, JS, HTML, CSS, SQL, with a simple yet good text editor, with syntax highlighting for many languages and powerful find/replace capabilities. I'm a bit of a control freak. Generated code scares me, so inefficient, so unreadable, so unmaintainable, you name it. i use frontpage for 2 reasons A: i found fp2003 on ebay for $30 true holygram cd B: to organise my site with the folders pane and not have to go into explorer to get to my other pages but i never acculy use the design mode....... i like the color thing too because if the hole things blue i know i made a screw up!....lol Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-41091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbin Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 I use notepad++ for everything... I do have frontpage though and use it for tables everynow and then... Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-73531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixy Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 I hate frontpage. I use Dreamweaver 8 because of the syntax coding. I can't stand the designer view. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-73708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
448191 Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 This is a really old thread. But since people have replied in it recently I'll go ahead and have my say. Frontpage sucks. It's of no use for developers. Dreamweaver: the code highlighting rules. Nothing beats it. But that's about it. I've never used ANY of the so called "advanced" features Dreamweaver has to offer, and most likely never will. Since now I've discovered Zend Studio. No, I don't get paid to praise Zend Studio (if only that were true), but I definately like it. A lot. I've coded Visual Basic .NET in Visual Studio which makes life very very very easy on you, but this comes pretty close. Get the trial and see what I'm talking about. As said, the code highlighting features could use some work, but otherwise there is no PHP compatible IDE that comes even close. Praise. I just hope it gets that 'little something' more to stand up to Visual Studio. Which is unprecedented as far as I know. If Microsoft were to incorporate PROPER php, css, xml and html support (which they'll probably never do), zend would be screwed as is. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/1958-do-you-use-microsoft-frontpage/page/3/#findComment-74200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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