The Little Guy Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 OK, I was talking with my family, and somehow we started talking about the five basic needs in order for survival... - Food - Shelter - Water - Clothing But no one knew what the fifth one was. Anyone know? I can't find it anywhere on google... Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFilmGod Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 survival ego social growth security Your "four needs" all go under survival. A quick search on google rendered these results. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 you don't technically need shelter or clothing to survive. Kind of depends on where you are living... TFG: how exactly does 'survival' fall under "basic needs for survival"? That makes no sense, and the rest of your list is not necessary for survival... I think you are confusing survival with living and when I say living I think you are confusing being alive on a physical level vs. a mental/emotional level (want vs. needs). I'd say food, water and air. Unless you want to get technical and throw on temperature range, pressure, etc... but it kind of depends on where you are and what kind of stuff is available, as to what you *need* to survive. If you are in a cold area, you're going to have to have some kind of source of warmth to survive. If the only thing around is animals, you will probably need supplies to kill and cook the animals to survive. Even if you caught and killed them with your bare hands, really good possibility of dying from bacteria/disease if animal isn't cleaned/cooked. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Little Guy Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 you don't technically need shelter or clothing to survive. Kind of depends on where you are living... TFG: how exactly does 'survival' fall under "basic needs for survival"? That makes no sense, and the rest of your list is not necessary for survival... I think you are confusing survival with living and when I say living I think you are confusing being alive on a physical level vs. a mental/emotional level (want vs. needs). I'd say food, water and air. Unless you want to get technical and throw on temperature range, pressure, etc... but it kind of depends on where you are and what kind of stuff is available, as to what you *need* to survive. If you are in a cold area, you're going to have to have some kind of source of warmth to survive. If the only thing around is animals, you will probably need supplies to kill and cook the animals to survive. Even if you caught and killed them with your bare hands, really good possibility of dying from bacteria/disease if animal isn't cleaned/cooked. These are supposed to be very broad, and shouldn't matter what the climate is (Sorry didn't mention that). My sister says "Fire" is the fifth one, but I don't know if that is really a "Need" in order to stay alive (in any condition). Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 again, you need specific things for specific situations. you say *any* condition. Well what if you got hurled into outer space? What if you are living in antarctica vs. africa? What you would need to survive depends on the situation. You have clothes and shelter on your list. In some situations, you might need them. If you are looking for being broad, then those shouldn't be on your list. Neither should fire. You can live your life eating fruits and veggies. What do you need fire for? You need water. Without water, your body ceases to function. You need food. Without food, your body ceases to function. You need air. Without air, your body ceases to function. The temperature has to be within a certain range or else you freeze or fry. The pressure being exerted on your body needs to be a certain range, or you implode or explode. Anything else is circumstantial; dependent on where exactly you're trying to survive. If you had fire, you could live in colder climates, etc... Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 #5: Computer with internet mine: Air Food Water Shelter Fire Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Little Guy Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 You NEED shelter Rain Forest: get out of storms Desert: get out of sand storms / Heat Arctic: get out of freezing wind Africa (not sure what the terrain is): get out of heat A shelter could be: - Tree / Bush - Rock - Cave - Home - Igloo - Hut - etc. I guess "Fire" could be changed to "Warmth". Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 yeah, you need shelter for those specific areas and situations. But you wanted to be general. There are plenty of places where the temperature is good all the time and even if it rains...not like you're going to melt..plenty of place you can live out in the open no problem. So I'm still scratching shelter off the list of general needs, and adding it to the list of circumstantial needs. Same with fire, even disguised as "warmth." if the temperature is already warm enough, you do not need fire/warmth. If the temperature is hot (like in several of your scenarios), you would actually want the opposite of warmth. So again I scratch that off. Food Water Air I would tentatively add sleep to the list. I guess it depends on your perspective on that. If you try to stay awake, you'll eventually exhaust yourself and pass out. I'm not sure if I would technically classify this is a necessary item though. You can voluntarily not eat and eventually starve yourself to death. But you can't really stay awake until you die. I don't think that's possible. But I guess if we're going to buy this argument, then we may as well scratch air off the list as well. You can hold your breath until you pass out but your body automatically starts breathing at that point. Can't do nothing about that. So let's scratch air off the list. Food and Water. Only two physical necessities. Everything else is dependent on where it is you're trying to survive. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 And technically, depending on the food you're eating, you don't even need the water. If you have access to plenty of fruits and veggies, their juiciness contains the liquid you technically need to survive. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Or we could just throw you, CV, out and you pick you up in a few weeks and you can tell us what you needed. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Little Guy Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 You just put a WANT in there... you would actually want the opposite of warmth Food - For the body's health Water - For the body's health Shelter - Protection from mother nature / Place too keep cool Warmth - To keep your body temp up Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 You don't NEED shelter and warmth though. You are not a cold-blooded creature. If the temperature is already right then you do not need those outside sources to artificially keep it warm. And again, protection from mother nature/place to keep cool is circumstantial. There are plenty of places in this world where the temperature is just right and you can sleep under the stars. And on the note of sleep... okay I decided you do need sleep, but not to physically live. Sleep is a certain level/state of being alive. As in, verses being active. So you need it to be more active/conscious, but you are alive nonetheless. So that's definitely scratched from the list. I have determined that in order for your body to physically live, you need: Water5732437613 Air Food Temperature to be within x and y range Pressure to be within x and y range Or we could just throw you, CV, out and you pick you up in a few weeks and you can tell us what you needed. Hey I watch survivorman. I could do it. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Little Guy Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 If your already in a warm place, then there is your warmth. Could you sleep under the stars for a 1+ years in the same place then rain, snow, sleet, tornado, earthquake, typhoon, etc. etc.? Then why does the survivor man always build a shelter first and make a fire? Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.josh Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 well warmth would be more generally classified as proper temperature range. and weather conditions would still be circumstantial. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Then why does the survivor man always build a shelter first and make a fire? Because he thinks rain is annoying and because he likes his food cooked. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
premiso Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 The one, most important thing that is needed to survive. Which I did not see listed anywhere is knowledge. If you have no knowledge of a land and do not know what is edible, then well your chances of surviving are slim. If you have no knowledge of how to build a fire or purify water, your chances of surviving are slim. If you have no knowledge of how to catch food to eat, you probably will not survive. Ultimately, if you ask me, the only "need" you need to know to survive is knowledge. Knowing how to start that fire, how to find water, what to eat, where to seek shelter, how to build a shelter are all key without it you are lost without a hope to survive. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I guess it all depends. Of course you need food and water. But if it's a good temperature range where you're living, then you don't need that factor. Same with clothes, if it's warm enough where I don't need clothes, then I would rather have something else. So, in order to accurately answer this question, I guess you would have to know what the circumstances are. This is unfair: Ultimately, if you ask me, the only "need" you need to know to survive is knowledge. I agree because then you could, "make", "find", or "figure" out anything on the list. Maybe tangibles only? Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Little Guy Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 So, in order to accurately answer this question, I guess you would have to know what the circumstances are. Like I said previously, the 5 Basic needs should be needs no matter where you are, or what the climate... The one, most important thing that is needed to survive. Which I did not see listed anywhere is knowledge. Back in cave man days, all they had was an instinct. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-808608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterACE14 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 functioning brain and heart always help in survival. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-809283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PugJr Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Masterace, then you can pretty much say everything is nesscary. Well, air needs to be this x to y in percentage of air, blood needs to be oxygenated, kidneys need to work, skin needs to be intact, lungs need to be inflated, etc. etc. Some things are assumed working otherwise you could not live at all. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-809289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterACE14 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 agreed Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-809291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Well, air needs to be this x to y in percentage of air, Hrmmm, are you sure?! Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-809650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 There is 100% air in air, FYI. Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-809654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Little Guy Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 There is 100% air in air, FYI. And dust (at least in my hose), and atoms Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-810079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel0 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 http://www.newsweek.com/id/184156/output/print Quote Link to comment https://forums.phpfreaks.com/topic/153786-5-basic-needs/#findComment-810084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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